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Old Yesterday, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And the answer these people propose isn't banning emissions, but charging a fee that will be passed on to consumers.

If a politician said it was a fact a certain candy was poisoning children, would you accept him saying the solution is to place a tax on poisoned candy to help fix the problem?

This is just a tax scheme.
You definitely got a point.
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Old Yesterday, 07:31 PM
 
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And the answer these people propose isn't banning emissions, but charging a fee that will be passed on to consumers.

If a politician said it was a fact a certain candy was poisoning children, would you accept him saying the solution is to place a tax on poisoned candy to help fix the problem?

This is just a tax scheme.
Of course it is. And then we'll see carbon credit trading on wall street.

Remember Cap and Trade ?
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Old Yesterday, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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^^^^^Government on every level, Fed, State and Local already taxes:

Income
Property
Real Estate
Gasoline
Sales of goods and services
Energy
Utilities
Occupational privilege
And a plethora of other things

We don't need more. They can spend less if they have a shortfall.
Explains why these politicians want to cram all these immigrants in this country. More people there are, more tax money the government gets. And heaven forbid if a war broke out, they have more expendable bodies to build up the armies.
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Old Yesterday, 07:36 PM
 
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^^^^Do you have any Economics training? A tax on carbon which is a tax on energy will be a tax on everything produced and transported as well as all goods and services. It is a highly regressive tax and will hurt the working poor and middle income earners the most. So in effect you're not just taxing "carbon" but ALL human activity, products and services.
No. You're ignoring two important points:

a. Carbon tax proposals include a rebate for individuals. Working poor and middle class will on average pay nothing. Some will get more back than they pay in, if they don't use much fossil fuel.

b. The carbon tax is not on ALL goods and services. There's an increasing number of delivery vehicles that use alternative energy, and those businesses won't pay carbon tax. That will provide an incentive for dirty companies to buy new clean equipment because they will want to avoid the carbon tax.

The status quo is not sustainable.
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Old Yesterday, 07:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There goes your quality of life going down the toilet. Get ready for $10 a gallon gas coming down the road.

Thanks a lot you global warming moonbats out there!



https://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...fe-in-congress

Republicans for this hoax, will get primaried
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Old Today, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Your electric in the UK has about a quarter coming from nuclear, a technology that is effectively banned in the US. If you would start today to build a nuke plant you might, might, bring it on line in 2050. The one thirty miles from where I live has been operating since 1975 and has had protesters at the gate every single day of that time not to mention having lawyers in Court constantly defending it from attempts to shut it down.
The USA has 98 operating nuclear power reactors in 30 states, operated by 30 different power companies.

The UK has 15 nuclear plants and all will be closing over the next decade, there will be some new nuclear plants be currently there are only three nuclear power stations that look like being built, as the other three of the planned six have been shelved. So the UK is moving from 15 nuclear power stations to a possible 3 of the 6 planed.

Proposed nuclear power stations in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

So no, the UK is not going to rely on nuclear power.
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Old Today, 03:02 AM
 
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And the answer these people propose isn't banning emissions, but charging a fee that will be passed on to consumers.

If a politician said it was a fact a certain candy was poisoning children, would you accept him saying the solution is to place a tax on poisoned candy to help fix the problem?

This is just a tax scheme.
The simple truth...which these frauds are desperate to not admit
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Old Today, 05:23 AM
 
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Your electric in the UK has about a quarter coming from nuclear, a technology that is effectively banned in the US. If you would start today to build a nuke plant you might, might, bring it on line in 2050. The one thirty miles from where I live has been operating since 1975 and has had protesters at the gate every single day of that time not to mention having lawyers in Court constantly defending it from attempts to shut it down.
Calvert Cliffs?

I know MANY people who have/do work their.
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Old Today, 05:30 AM
 
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Future..future....we will solve all the global warming problems in the future.

How about we do it NOW??

Reducing the speed limit back to 55 MPH reduces CO2 emissions by 30%. Add to that a reduction of jet travel to 1970's levels......and we can start addressing the problem without new taxes or pipe dreams.

Every Governor can TOMORROW reduce the speed limit on ALL roads in their states by executive order. Don't need legislation, don't need President Trump, don't need the Senate.

Let's just do it. Go back to 55 MPH!!! Reduce jet travel.

Back in 1973, the Republican governors of Washington, Oregon, and California did it overnight when the energy crises. For good measure they turned out the streetlights and required businesses to turn off their lights when closed.

Clearly, the Democrat governors of Washington, Oregon, and California ALL are focused on global warming.

Write them...and urge them to do it TODAY. BTW....we have lots of 55 MPH signs in storage!!
So, you honestly believe if we do these things and the rest of the WORLD does NOT, we can overcome the global warming problem.
I have seldom used bridge for sale, wanna' make a bid?

"they turned out the streetlights and required businesses to turn off their lights when closed."

Burglars LOVE this. Not so the business owners.

I'd bet you ALSO believe that MAN caused the Ice Age AND is demise!
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Old Today, 05:32 AM
 
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Another reason electric vehicles make sense... Electric motors can be more than 90% efficient and even up to 98% efficient while combustion engines are 30 to 45% efficient....

https://www.quora.com/How-energy-eff...ustion-engines

More info re-EVs... https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy...ctric-car.html
You DO know how electricity is made, don't you? Obviously NOT!

What are you ging to do to save the planet with all those old batteries?

Many can't think past right now and the long term consequences of their actions today.

Look at ethanol gasoline for cars and trucks the "planet savers" demand.

"It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion of ethanol produces."

We know how your type LOVE to quote scientists, so

"CU scientist terms corn-based ethanol 'subsidized food burning"

""Abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuel amounts to unsustainable, subsidized food burning," said the Cornell professor in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences. Pimentel, who chaired a U.S. Department of Energy panel that investigated the energetics, economics and environmental aspects of ethanol production several years ago, subsequently conducted a detailed analysis of the corn-to-car fuel process. His findings will be published next month in the forthcoming Encyclopedia of Physical Sciences and Technology."

"Neither increases in government subsidies to corn-based ethanol fuel nor hikes in the price of petroleum can overcome what one Cornell agricultural scientist calls a fundamental input-yield problem: It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion of ethanol produce
"about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu."

"Among his findings"

Read and LEARN.

"https://www.organicconsumers.org/scientific/70-percent-more-energy-required-make-ethanol-actually-ethanol-cornell

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