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Old 07-27-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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This is a shining example that lends yet even more credence to the following quote by a GREAT female leader: "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher

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Liberals like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., frequently hold up Scandinavian countries as successful experiments in “democratic socialism.” A historian and native Swede, however, is speaking out against their failure to observe the clear capitalistic traits of Scandinavian markets.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...paradise-69716
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Old Yesterday, 07:24 PM
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And in any case, Sweden is not socialist, as AOC and Bernie are. Socialism is 'collective (in practice gov't) ownership of the means of production.' Sweden does not have that. They are social democracy--capitalism, but with extensive 'safety nets.'

Venezuela and Cuba are actual examples of socialist nations. The Danish PM once chided Bernie for continually referring to Denmark as socialist. The PM said, we are a market economy.
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Old Yesterday, 07:26 PM
 
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Socialism is using other people’s money for the non productive. Let them starve. Tired of supporting deadbeats.
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Old Yesterday, 08:17 PM
 
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It’s an interesting article. I admit I learned something about Sweden’s operations. A couple things stood out to me. One is they do not have a giant welfare state. Work and productivity are a part of their culture. Second is everyone is taxed at a similar rate, lower income on up to the wealthy. That is in opposition to how it is in the US where the bottom half of earners pay no federal income tax. It’s unbelievable really.
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Old Today, 06:21 AM
 
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It’s an interesting article. I admit I learned something about Sweden’s operations. A couple things stood out to me. One is they do not have a giant welfare state. Work and productivity are a part of their culture. Second is everyone is taxed at a similar rate, lower income on up to the wealthy. That is in opposition to how it is in the US where the bottom half of earners pay no federal income tax. It’s unbelievable really.
The 2017 Tax Reform initiative could have made progress towards a less progressive tax system. That 47% crack made by Romney in 2011 that contributed to his loss, could have been reduced in 2017. But that’s not what happened.
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Old Today, 06:30 AM
 
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this is true. They run big welfare,big taxes and have relatively free economies.
You might say the criminals running their governments are smarter than most.
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Old Today, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bertwrench View Post
It’s an interesting article. I admit I learned something about Sweden’s operations. A couple things stood out to me. One is they do not have a giant welfare state. Work and productivity are a part of their culture. Second is everyone is taxed at a similar rate, lower income on up to the wealthy. That is in opposition to how it is in the US where the bottom half of earners pay no federal income tax. It’s unbelievable really.
There are cultural expectations that a largely homogeneous society can have that a more diverse and "identitarian" based society cannot. Among those are social pressure for productivity and the expectation that people of all income levels have skin in the game in the form of taxation. Our system is more based on taking from this guy and giving to that guy in order to buy that guy's vote.

As the islamification of some of these countries moves forward expect to see an erosion of this social cohesion however.
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Old Today, 06:56 AM
 
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And in any case, Sweden is not socialist, as AOC and Bernie are. Socialism is 'collective (in practice gov't) ownership of the means of production.' Sweden does not have that. They are social democracy--capitalism, but with extensive 'safety nets.'

Venezuela and Cuba are actual examples of socialist nations. The Danish PM once chided Bernie for continually referring to Denmark as socialist. The PM said, we are a market economy.
True, if the Nordic countries ran away the Capitalists that feed them, they would be just like Venezuela and Cuba.
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