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View Poll Results: How much energy should be used to rescue certain "dregs of society" suspects from suicide
Go all out to save these people - life always has value 11 36.67%
Moderate efforts (4-7 on scale of 1-10) efforts should be used to save these people 2 6.67%
A show of effort should be used to save these people but not much more 6 20.00%
Let them die - these people contribute nothing of value and cost a lot 11 36.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-27-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Multimillionaire Jeff Epstein, a convict and notorious sex offender, was found blue in the skin and apparently near death after a prison suicide attempt. (link). He is facing federal charges of sex trafficking. Federally charged suspects in the Southern District of New York face a 97% conviction rate. The crimes with which he is charged carry sentences such that he is unlikely to see a day of freedom in his life.

Meanwhile, in much less tony parts of NYC, near the A subway line in Queens, a man attempted to jump to his death on the tracks. The package he left behind was suspicious but turned out to be harmless (link). The suspect was taken to Jamaica Hospital in Queens in critical condition.

What makes me wonder is why is any energy given to reviving him from a suicide attempt or attack?
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So you don't want the State to press charges against people for criminal conduct if they agree to kill themselves?

I'm seriously asking because I'm not sure what course of action (or inaction) you are proposing here.
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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So... I guess O.P. is not pro life?
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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So... I guess O.P. is not pro life?
there could be a case made for retroactive Abortions...…………….
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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What an odd question.
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Multimillionaire Jeff Epstein, a convict and notorious sex offender, was found blue in the skin and apparently near death after a prison suicide attempt. (link). He is facing federal charges of sex trafficking. Federally charged suspects in the Southern District of New York face a 97% conviction rate. The crimes with which he is charged carry sentences such that he is unlikely to see a day of freedom in his life.

Meanwhile, in much less tony parts of NYC, near the A subway line in Queens, a man attempted to jump to his death on the tracks. The package he left behind was suspicious but turned out to be harmless (link). The suspect was taken to Jamaica Hospital in Queens in critical condition.

What makes me wonder is why is any energy given to reviving him from a suicide attempt or attack?

So if someone is incarcerated awaiting a jury trial to determine guilt or innocence for an alleged crime it is acceptable to allow non judicial execution by neglect?
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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He no suicidal he is under protective custody - n rather he meet bubba before is really suicidal
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: London
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I don't think the state should have any say in whether someone chooses to end their own life.

Quite honestly, it saves a lot of taxpayer money.

I'd say all prisoners should have the option of euthanasia on-demand.
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Old 07-27-2019, 11:44 PM
 
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So if someone is incarcerated awaiting a jury trial to determine guilt or innocence for an alleged crime it is acceptable to allow non judicial execution by neglect?
NO....the more appropriate question is, "Why is the state treating people like they are already guilty, when they havent even been to trial yet for their ALLEGED crime?
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Old 07-28-2019, 03:39 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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So if someone is incarcerated awaiting a jury trial to determine guilt or innocence for an alleged crime it is acceptable to allow non judicial execution by neglect?


Exactly - remand prisoners have not been found guilty of anything.

Whilst in most countries there is a positive duty to protect life and a duty to investigate suspicious deaths, and this includes in relation to prisoners and in relation to the mentally ill.
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