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Old 07-30-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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They are showing a report on Bengaluru on tv now, that booming Indian city is running out of water. The economic success is killing the city.

In Chile avocado plantations are destroying entire regions that are turning into desert.
Who owns the water?
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Who owns the water?
Probably the state. Who cares when they are running out of water?
In Bengaluru there are water mafias that exploit the catastrophic shortage.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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"Get it"?


And what are your specific credentials, degrees, and publication record that affords you this tremendous insight into physics and the interaction of IR energy and CO2?


If you "got it", you would not believe in AGW.

As I said, you don't get it, but it doesn't matter because more and more people do. And within a few years the world will see a massive global movement enforcing changes to our life styles.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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Probably the state. Who cares when they are running out of water?
In Bengaluru there are water mafias that exploit the catastrophic shortage.
Well there is your problem. If a private party owned the water supply they will price it according to scarcity.
You will call it gouging, I call it managing a resource responsibly or conservation.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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Well there is your problem. If a private party owned the water supply they will price it according to scarcity.
You will call it gouging, I call it managing a resource responsibly or conservation.
That doesn't make any sense. The city is what it is, the region is not made for such a massive city no matter who owns the water. There is not enough water for 13 million people and countless companies, period.
And it perfectly shows are global dilemma, economic growth and sustainability don't match.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Why aren’t alarmist talking about population control?
NOTHING would make more of a difference in CO2, ozone, pollutants, etc than reducing human populations......
I have been saying this for a long time. If humans are the problem the solution if fewer humans. Its honestly more realistic than forcing people to not take showers and drink their own pee or any other behavior change nonsense you can come up with.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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I have been saying this for a long time. If humans are the problem the solution if fewer humans. Its honestly more realistic than forcing people to not take showers and drink their own pee or any other behavior change nonsense you can come up with.
The places where population growth is strongest are not the ones the account for most pollution, depletion of resources, etc. Just look at the per-capita values...
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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That doesn't make any sense. The city is what it is, the region is not made for such a massive city no matter who owns the water. There is not enough water for 13 million people and countless companies, period.
And it perfectly shows are global dilemma, economic growth and sustainability don't match.
Sure it does.
As water becomes more scarce the price goes up and companies that use water will either find more efficient ways to use it, relocate, or go out of business. Its similiar with individuals; maybe shorter showers, no car washing, purchase more efficient appliances...
When the price of a resource rises there will be less consumption of the resource.
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Old 07-30-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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That kind of thinking is exactly why most countries want to keep utilities in state hands.

Indians are already very economical, with a per-capita ecological footprint of about 1/8th of that of a US citizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ical_footprint
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Old 07-30-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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That kind of thinking is exactly why most countries want to keep utilities in state hands.

Indians are already very economical, with a per-capita ecological footprint of about 1/8th of that of a US citizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ical_footprint
That is the opposite of what I am saying and typically results in shortages and rationing.
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