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Old 07-30-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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President Trump’s remarks set off a firestorm of reactions and remarks decrying racism. And just like that, once again many people got distracted and resorted to personal, petty and partisan politics and rhetoric rather than crafting a policy to address the abject poverty that continues to hamper Baltimore and other communities in the wealthiest country in the world.

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Old 07-30-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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I agree that Trump does stir the pot. And I think some of his supporters like this. Given that he says what some people want to hear. Saying "Baltimore is a dump" is not likely racist on its own. However, is a very divisive statement coming from the President. I can't imagine alot of Baltimore residents voting for Trump after such comments. On the other hand, there are some people who look at Trump's statement and take it as a dog whistle. Baltimore is 64% Black. Some (and I say some) Trump supporters living in or near Baltimore might take that statement and think "Black people cause so many problems. I'm glad there's a president looking out for us".
Bingo.

It amazes me that many of these 100+ pages have focused on the two, IMO, non primary questions of whether or not what Trump said about Baltimore is racist and whether or not what he said is true. IMO, the primary question is whether he should have said what he did or not, and the answer is no. As you point out, it is divisive. Additionally, it's not as though it's likely that he made the statements organically out of some sense of altruism with helping Baltimore as the goal. It's more likely that he said what he did because Cummings grilled 'his guy' (in a government sense) in a public setting, and because he wants to discredit Cummings because he doesn't like Cummings getting closer re looking into his finances.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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It has everything to do with it. People in Baltimore are suffering from 3rd world standard of living but Cummings is more concerned about allowing more 3rd world illegals into the country than improving the city he represents.

Again, rather than seeing the truth Democrats view everything as racism so who pays attention to the boy that cried wolf anymore.

nuff said.
Except GM essentially pointed out that he didn't think that, separate from anything else/in and of itself, that what Trump said about Baltimore was racist, but you either conveniently missed that part, or you didn't and are ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:07 PM
 
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I don't see racism with his comments. It's always highlighted more when Trump goes after blacks or women. He does it because they stand up to him. That's what he hates. He can be very childlike in his attacks and will push back harder than what he got. As another poster said, Cummings is looking into his finances and Trump is mad and lashing out.

I think the worst attack I can remember was against a white wealthy male. Accusing Joe Scarborough of murder in a tweet was very bizarre to say the least. He really unloaded on Rex Tillerson too.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:08 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Somene from HUD needs to account for sending billions and not following where money is used. Cummings has no role here.
You don't quite know how that works do you? Rep. Cummings absolutely knew what federal (and state for that matter) money was coming into the district.

How things really work is not what you learned in US Government 101.

Which has created an issue for him.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...hics-complaint

https://www.wmar2news.com/news/local...lijah-cummings
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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I see urban dumps each day on a train ride.
I wasn't saying that it's your opinion whether they are dumps or not, I was saying that it's your opinion (not a fact) that whether that statement is true or not is the vital issue.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:31 PM
 
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Bingo.

It amazes me that many of these 100+ pages have focused on the two, IMO, non primary questions of whether or not what Trump said about Baltimore is racist and whether or not what he said is true. IMO, the primary question is whether he should have said what he did or not, and the answer is no. As you point out, it is divisive. Additionally, it's not as though it's likely that he made the statements organically out of some sense of altruism with helping Baltimore as the goal. It's more likely that he said what he did because Cummings grilled 'his guy' (in a government sense) in a public setting, and because he wants to discredit Cummings because he doesn't like Cummings getting closer re looking into his finances.
At least we are getting the conversation to a better level. Whether or not Trump's statement was a racist statement or if it was true, that's being argued to death. It completely misses the point. One thing that hasn't been asked much is whether or not it was a divisive statement. It's one think if a local resident or an individual visiting, that is one thing. It isn't being made in the arena of politics. It's not being done in divisiveness.

President Trump, on the other hand, is President of the United States of America. That includes the city of Baltimore. When he made that statement, it was basically like a middle finger to the persons living in Baltimore. If a President is to unite this country, that is not the way to go about it. He was basically engaging in an argument with Cummings and hit below the belt. President Trump did not need to say that. It was neither the time or the place. And this is why these questions have to be asked:

Were President Trump's comments necessary? Yes or No?

What did Trump's comments have to do with the border wall situation?

What is the supposed effect of calling Baltimore a dump?
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:54 PM
 
Location: The 719
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A lot of places are dumps. But Trump is butt hurt because a Black called him out and threatened impeachment.

He's not the President for all the people. Just his base.

He's a psychopath with his narcissism and racism.

Hope Americans wise-up - and make him one term.
A) A Black what?
B) Threaten Trump with impeachment?

Let's impeach Trump.

When that fails, then what?

Russia Russia Russia impeach impeach impeach.

If you somehow got it through the House, how you gonna get it through 2/3rds of the Senate.

So when that fails, you're gonna watch who get their ass beat in 2020?

Take for example the independent and the democrat who didn't vote for Trump in 2016. They are doing better now than they were.

They're going to vote for some idiot democrat how?

Medicare for all, single payer, get rid of your doctor and pay 32 trillion for it?

How are y'all gonna get enough idiots to vote for that?

What are you seriously gonna campaign on besides Orange man bad, impeach Fodifav, racist, Russia Russia Russia?

Back to Elijah Cummings, he's a big mouth racist gasbag, he threatens Trump with tired disgusting identity politics, he threatened Trump's family.

POS.

Think about that for the next six weeks.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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At least we are getting the conversation to a better level. Whether or not Trump's statement was a racist statement or if it was true, that's being argued to death. It completely misses the point. One thing that hasn't been asked much is whether or not it was a divisive statement. It's one think if a local resident or an individual visiting, that is one thing. It isn't being made in the arena of politics. It's not being done in divisiveness.

President Trump, on the other hand, is President of the United States of America. That includes the city of Baltimore. When he made that statement, it was basically like a middle finger to the persons living in Baltimore. If a President is to unite this country, that is not the way to go about it. He was basically engaging in an argument with Cummings and hit below the belt. President Trump did not need to say that. It was neither the time or the place. And this is why these questions have to be asked:

Were President Trump's comments necessary? Yes or No?

What did Trump's comments have to do with the border wall situation?

What is the supposed effect of calling Baltimore a dump?
Well, you know this pretty much already. Trump isn't interested in acting like a POTUS is supposed to be - act for the interests of the country, including Baltimore and the state of Maryland. It's really that he's hot and bothered about Cummings pressing him about the situation at the border and that his committee is investigating him. Trump feels the heat and is threatened - and it's his animal instinct to get into public petty spats with public figures, both political and non political.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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How is denying the reality Baltimore has major issues in the interest of the country including Baltimore.
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