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Old Today, 05:42 AM
 
Location: USA
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Democrats screamed bloody murder over a mathematically mild sequestration. Something Obama lied about where it came from.

Democrats also distort and tell fanciful tales about an already fake-austerity in Europe as a means to scare people from trying real austerity here.

So I agree that the Democrats have a lot of work to do here about honest budgets and so forth, but so do Republicans. The military budget is out of control and tax cuts across the board don't always help with the debt either.
Agree about the military budget. It is out of control because the defense contractors have so much power and have bought politicians of BOTH parties. Also, many are run by former high up DOD, and military people that are in bed with the military they came from.

Anytime the President pushes back, the MEDIA, which is 95%+ Democrat run screams and creates public outcry to make the Republicans look like the bad guy. And now that Trump is President he is the Republican lightning rod for the Media.
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Old Today, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh I forgot that no one ever complained about deficits before President Obama.
Sure they complained but they never shut down government over the budget, where is the outcry from the Tea Party.


The problem with this deficit was that it was a self inflicted wound, running record deficits in a record setting economy should worry everyone. There was absolutely no need for a tax cut, GOP members that complained about government subsidies back in 2008 had no issue with this gift to the corporations.
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Old Today, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Happened under republican controlled Congress and president 2016-2018 and during GWB when Republicans controlled Congress. But I don't expect you to be honest about it
Republican Congress lowered the deficit from 2010 and Obama was smart enough to sign up for it. The latest Dim controlled Congress is shooting the deficit up again.
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Old Today, 06:35 AM
 
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Republican Congress lowered the deficit from 2010 and Obama was smart enough to sign up for it. The latest Dim controlled Congress is shooting the deficit up again.
Now you're lying about who passed the deficit busting permanent tax cut for corporations.

Let me know when you want to start dealing in facts.
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Old Today, 06:36 AM
 
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Agree about the military budget. It is out of control because the defense contractors have so much power and have bought politicians of BOTH parties. Also, many are run by former high up DOD, and military people that are in bed with the military they came from.

Anytime the President pushes back, the MEDIA, which is 95%+ Democrat run screams and creates public outcry to make the Republicans look like the bad guy. And now that Trump is President he is the Republican lightning rod for the Media.
Trying to blame dems and the media for bloating up the military budget. I know you right wingers love to lie, but that's super egregious as far as lies go
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Old Today, 06:37 AM
 
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Chris Wallace is more about Chris Wallace!

Not worth listening too anymore.
Another MAGA fact hater. Sad!
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Old Today, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Now you're lying about who passed the deficit busting permanent tax cut for corporations.

Let me know when you want to start dealing in facts.
Sorry Democrats are idiots that don't understand how government works and how the Republican Congress the last 6 years of Obama's Presidency deserves all of the credit for the good things that happened those years.

The tax cuts have effectively taxed all Democrats higher (according to those I see whining) and has increased tax revenues.
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Old Today, 06:53 AM
 
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Fair and balanced .. Finally!

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-an...-obama-1451474

Although then-candidate Donald Trump promised in 2016 to eliminate the national deficit if he was elected president, the deficit has actually ballooned significantly since he took office and is projected to grow substantially moving forward. Fox News anchor Chris Wallace confronted acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney about this fact Sunday, pointing out that the deficit had begun decreasing under former President Barack Obama before Trump took over.

"After dealing with the Great Recession in his first term, the deficit under Obama dropped by an average of 11 percent a year in his second term," Wallace pointed out to Mulvaney who also serves as Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget on Fox News Sunday.

"The deficit has increased by 15 percent a year in President Trump's first two years. Under President Trump, our national debt has increased by more than $2 trillion," Wallace continued. He pointed out that estimates project that the amount will "top $4 trillion," if a bipartisan budget supported by the president goes through.


Obama doubled the national debt, running up more debt than all the presidents in US history combined.


Obama spent so much money that his annual deficits had nowhere to go but down.


A democrat who supported Obama talking about debt and deficits? Are you kidding?
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Old Today, 06:54 AM
 
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Republicans are spend and spend, Dems are tax and spend. Only of those options reduces the federal deficit
I believe neither of those have reduced the deficit.
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Old Today, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Fair and balanced .. Finally!

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-an...-obama-1451474

Although then-candidate Donald Trump promised in 2016 to eliminate the national deficit if he was elected president, the deficit has actually ballooned significantly since he took office and is projected to grow substantially moving forward. Fox News anchor Chris Wallace confronted acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney about this fact Sunday, pointing out that the deficit had begun decreasing under former President Barack Obama before Trump took over.

"After dealing with the Great Recession in his first term, the deficit under Obama dropped by an average of 11 percent a year in his second term," Wallace pointed out to Mulvaney who also serves as Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget on Fox News Sunday.

"The deficit has increased by 15 percent a year in President Trump's first two years. Under President Trump, our national debt has increased by more than $2 trillion," Wallace continued. He pointed out that estimates project that the amount will "top $4 trillion," if a bipartisan budget supported by the president goes through.
If you want to rip on Trump for the ballooning national debt, I'm right there with you.


But don't try to sell me that Obama did anything about the debt. He didn't. In fact he ran up more debt than all of the other presidents we have ever had. Trump might eclipse him if he wins in 2020.


That's FAIR AND BALANCED.
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