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Old Today, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Originally Posted by AguaDulce View Post
"Trump promised he would lower drug prices. That was a monstrous lie. As president, he nominated an HHS Secretary directly from Eli Lilly, gave $7 billion in tax cuts to the four biggest drugmakers and tried to throw 32 million off of their health coverage." --Bernie Sanders



Trump was selling snake oil when he promised to repeal and replace Obamacare. Once he got in, he realized it was hard to do, so he took an easier path and focused his lies on "those horrible Mexicans, coming over the border". Suddenly, healthcare was just a distant memory.


If this twit was actually concerned about Americans, he would direct his attention to helping them with things like healthcare and bringing back American manufacturing, instead of just giving lip service to those issues.


And his Trumpees keep drinking and drinking more Kool Aid.
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Old Today, 10:31 AM
 
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And yet still better than the ACA abomination.
Unless of course you need health insurance p.
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Old Today, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If you already had health insurance, Obamacare had NO EFFECT on you. You shouldn’t have seen any differences. And don’t tell me that it jacked up your premium because that’s a lie.

You GOP types are revealing yourselves to be phonies. If Obamacare got “rammed up your arses” as you say, then you were uninsured. And in that case, you’re either poor, unemployed or work a menial job. That’s a far cry from what most of claim to be.

And don’t try to say that you were just talking about generalities. You meant yourself.
I DK about that, my friend.

Not all insurance was alike despite way too many consumers who thought it was.

There were healthcare plans that capped annual claims at a ridiculously low annual amounts. There were plans that excluded hospitalization. There were plans that did not include medication, including Cancer treatment. And of course there were plans that declined endless healthcare conditions or charged higher premiums.

Healthcare premiums are highly variable within state and across states. All healthcare insurance is geographically rated. For example, Florida has 69 geographically rated areas. The ratios of healthcare providers, number of hospital beds, the number and type of claims made: local population matters. Healthcare insurance competition, lack thereof, also matters.
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Old Today, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It was gonna be a "big, great beautiful health care for everyone." And w/ pre existing covered. Only problem is they can't be covered without everyone being covered. High risk pools never worked out well and the healthiest mandated to be covered,w/ lowest costs, allows the ones w/ pre existing to get coverage.
At peak, only 200,000 enrollees had any semblance of healthcare insurance in those states that had high risk pools. Those states excluded substantially more from their high risk pool than they insured.

All insurance, not just healthcare, mutualizes risks.

The premiums of those with few or no claims pay the benefits of those with many/ large dollar claims.

I pay nearly $5000/ year in property, liability and auto insurance. I have never made a claim, had a moving violation or a parking ticket. I live in an average size home.
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Old Today, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I will give Trump credit for this, though--

July 8, 2019

A federal judge Monday thwarted one of the Trump administration’s key efforts to address rising drug prices by blocking a rule that would have required drugmakers to include the list prices of their medicines in television ads.

Three drug manufacturers — Merck, Eli Lilly and Amgen — sued the administration after the Department of Health and Human Services finalized the rule in May, arguing that HHS overstepped its authority because it did not have permission from Congress to impose the requirement.

HHS Secretary Alex Azar, formerly the president for the U.S. division of Eli Lilly, has sought to deliver drug pricing wins that President Trump can tout on the campaign trail. In May, Azar called the rule “the single most significant step any administration has taken toward a simple commitment: American patients deserve to know the prices of the health care they receive.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/health...ices-in-tv-ads

I'm curious about this Alex Azar fellow. What does he discuss over cocktails with his former colleagues these days?
List price is meaningless given no one pays list price. Retail prices are highly variable. Your state, your plan, your plan’s Pharma Benefit Manager, your location and your your Pharmacy.

I suspect HHS knew it was overstepping when it pitched the rule. It was likely one of many tactics being used in the dance. That you hear your symptoms might be more manageable if you ask what XYZ can do for you and then learn the list price for XYZ is $350 might discourage you from seeing a doctor about your symptoms, never mind your co- pay is $10.

I am neutral on Azar at this point. That he comes from within Pharma may be better than someone without a clue. Or maybe not. Media is piling on Pharma, “bigly”.
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Old Today, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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There is no such thing as Trumpcare. It was just a pile of meaningless slogans buried in the chaos of Trump's addled mind and will never see the light of day, though he'll bellow lots of empty promises at the campaign rallies and his cult will call it policy.

But wasn't Medicare Fraud King Rick Scott supposed to be coming up with something? Lol--it will be reflective of healthcare swamp monsters. Scott never met an insurance lobbyist or insurance company donor he didn't want to be in league with.
It is mind boggling that the CEO of the healthcare system that perpetuated the largest Medicare/ Medicaid fraud in history was not prosecuted after he resigned with a massive golden parachute and after a break went on to become a multi - term governor and then Senator.

Scott campaigned for the governorship on a promise to mandate eVerify and then did not pursue it. Florida had many sanctuary cities/ counting despite a sold Republican legislature under Scott’s watch.

None of it mattered. Trump stumped for him.
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Old Today, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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They have AMAZING health coverage on the railroad. No railroader should be uninsured.


It’s going to take a very strong Administration to get Congress to cooperate on negotiating drug prices. It’s Big Pharma’s WORST nightmare.

President Bush could’ve done it when he signed Part D legislation, but he let Big Pharna get to him.
I would love to see a straight up vote to enable Medicare to negotiate and buy meds from other countries- no pork and no big bargain. A very simple yes or no. Let Congress be held accountable.

Instead of exposing political vulnerabilities, the Trump Admin seems open to allowing state Medicaid to buy meds from other countries if Congress plays ball. This too could be a part of a bigger strategy.
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Old Today, 11:30 AM
 
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I guess you don't like to read much or you would of known the price standards for international drug prices is being open for public comment and the drug industry has already released attack ads .. oh well, not that you will give Trump credit for it...
Cummings is working hard on this and has been for some time.

But the drive to bring down drug prices is only one part of Trumpcare.

Can you provide the full plan being offered up by Trump?

Thanks.
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Old Today, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The GOP learned that you can't lower prices and cover folks with pre-existing conditions at the same time. They had grand plans until it became time to implement them. They never ever had a credible plan and Trump was blowing smoke the entire time. They have never had a replacement plan for Obamacare. Trump convinced the gullible that he had a master plan and will only reveal it when the time is right. That time will never arrive but yet they cheer him on.
During the endless attempts to repeal the ACA, Obama issued the challenge that he would support healthcare legislation that offered equal or better protection than the ACA at less cost. Crickets from Republicans.

Trump changed the game when he campaigned on repealing and REPLACING Obamacare with something better at a fraction of the cost.

He learned that Congress was not capable of meeting this challenge. It has to come from within his administration.
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Old Today, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Don’t forget this little jem too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5p7...&feature=share
Quite a gem, shortly after the election. Love the family optic.

He doubled down on simultaneously repealing and REPLACING Obamacare and doing so IMMEDIATELY.

Something happened/ someone who knows Healthcare got to him between the election and inauguration as he did not mention healthcare during his inauguration speech.
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