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Old Today, 11:58 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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^^^^^Good point. The places that criminals know where law abiding citizens are ALLOWED to be armed, are much safer. Gun free zones invite violent criminals.
The best "gun control" law ever written, is the 2nd amendment. If every law-abiding citizen were allowed to carry a gun, most still wouldn't bother (but this would depend on their surroundings).

But a criminal intending to assault, rob, or rape someone, would then be aware that, even if their victim was unarmed, someone in the crowd was probably carrying a weapon. And that he could probably expect a bullet from an unknown direction any time. And he can never know who to attack first to prevent it.

It's enough to make even a career criminal change jobs. Only a relatively few whackos would go ahead and commit their crime anyway. Presto, a significant reduction in crime, and corresponding increase in safety and freedom for ALL the law-abiding people... all without a shot being fired.

Why the big-govt leftists hate and fear this scenario, which is far more effective "crime control" than anything they have been able to come up with, is something they never explain to honest people.

 
Old Today, 11:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Everybody should be checked before entering gun free zones to ensure it is a gun free zone.
How did that work out for them at Gilroy?
 
Old Today, 12:00 PM
 
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I honestly don't believe more people being armed would make any significant reductions in most mass shootings, but individuals should have the right to defend themselves in unlikely event they are present at one.

I carry. I'm not going to run toward a shooter to engage in a gun fight, but I will have my weapon ready if he were to approach me.

Anyone who feels they are safer without a gun when a shooter is walking toward them to put a bullet in their skull shouldn't have a gun.

I feel I'm safer with a weapon if I'm trapped in a hotel ballroom with a shooter walking around executing people.

I believe that if a shooter ever entered my kids' school, they are safer because several of the teachers there are armed and trained. It might not make a difference, but I'll take a 'might' over nobody being capable of defending them.
 
Old Today, 12:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Everybody should be checked before entering gun free zones to ensure it is a gun free zone.
Then a guy comes in through the fence and shoots everyone. That solution is not working.
 
Old Today, 12:03 PM
 
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So the mentally insane and convicted armed robbers should be allowed to carry guns?
Can you show us the law that will stop them ?
After all they are insane and criminals !!!
Do you think they care about the laws ?
 
Old Today, 12:04 PM
 
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So the mentally insane and convicted armed robbers should be allowed to carry guns?
The mentally insane should be locked up in a mental facility and criminals should be allowed once they are no longer on paper.

In terms of criminals, allow them to waive that right in exchange for their release. If you are convicted of a felony, having a gun knocks it up to life. If you want to get out before you die, you can voluntarily waive your right to ever possess a gun for early release/parole.
 
Old Today, 12:05 PM
 
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I believe that if a shooter ever entered my kids' school, they are safer because several of the teachers there are armed and trained. It might not make a difference, but I'll take a 'might' over nobody being capable of defending them.
If there were several law-abiding citizens in the school who are armed and trained, do you believe that might make a difference to the shooter? Might it get him to stay away from that school, knowing there was someone there who would shoot back?
 
Old Today, 12:05 PM
 
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Can you show us the law that will stop them ?
After all they are insane and criminals !!!
Do you think they care about the laws ?
Well, since we made cocaine and heroine illegal, they are no longer available to anyone in the US. Lol
 
Old Today, 12:06 PM
 
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If there were several law-abiding citizens in the school who are armed and trained, do you believe that might make a difference to the shooter? Might it get him to stay away from that school, knowing there was someone there who would shoot back?
I don't know for sure, but, like I said, I'll take might over zero protection.
 
Old Today, 12:07 PM
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Why are the first ten amendments called the Bill of Rights?

It's called the Bill of Rights because it lists the rights guaranteed to individuals. If they were not addressing the rights of the individual to be armed it would not have appeared in the list of rights for the individual.
Why argue with a Canadian about our 2nd amendment? It's pointless. Who cares how a Canadian interprets it?
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