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Old 07-29-2019, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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With all the talk about how terrible America's cities are lately and how rural America is a shining example of the 'real America', why is rural America in such decline? Why is there so much poverty in the Ozarks and Appalachia? Why does everyone who has the means to want to move to the big city for employment and quality of life? In addition, very few cities are predominantly conservative.

https://www.citylab.com/perspective/...ecline/588883/
Since when wasn't rural America in decline? At least a few rural Oklahoma counties peaked out in population around 1910. Blame it on the tractor and other labor saving mechanized devices as time moved on. These days besides still losing population some small rural towns are in such bad shape that they have lost their Wal-Marts. Who wants to live where there is no Wal-Mart?
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Nope. Per your link:

Fastest growing cities in the US:

1. Ft. Myers, FL

2. Midland, TX

3. Pearland, TX

4. Bend, OR

5. McKinney, TX

6. College Station, TX

7. Lehigh Acres, FL

8. Mt. Pleasant, SC

9. Enterprise, NV

10. Irvine, CA

11. Milpitas, CA

12. Pleasanton, CA

13. Murfreesboro, TN

14. Meridian, ID

15. Redwood City, CA

16. Frisco, TX

17. Round Rock, TX

18. Austin, TX

19. Miami, FL

20. Saint George, UT

21. Manteca, CA

22. Loveland, Co

23. Santa Clarita, CA

24. Cape Coral, FL

25. Seattle, WA
This is a silly list. Lehigh Acres and Cape Coral are bedroom communities of Ft Myers and really have no industry of their own. Plus Lehigh Acres has an incredibly bad reputation. I imagine the only one moving there are idiots that did not do their research. Unless one does not care to live next to a grow house. And Ft Myers on its own is a pit.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:33 PM
 
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This is a silly list. Lehigh Acres and Cape Coral are bedroom communities of Ft Myers and really have no industry of their own. Plus Lehigh Acres has an incredibly bad reputation. I imagine the only one moving there are idiots that did not do their research. Unless one does not care to live next to a grow house. And Ft Myers on its own is a pit.
And Ft. Myers itself is only 79K.

As the article states: "Seattle ranks 25th overall and 3rd in terms of largest-city growth."
https://komonews.com/news/local/gues...t-growing-city

It's very easy to show growth when the town (that's what most of those really are) is tiny.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:33 PM
 
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Mostly to the suburbs. Inner cities are NOT growing.
Can you back up this statement?
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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By definition rural means the lack of many people. If rural populations grow it's mostly about high fertility rates. In the older days there were more farm labor jobs available, now much can be done with one person and a tractor. Back then more kids remained in their hometown. Now jobs tend to be more clustered into at least small cities / big towns and larger metros.

I spent half my childhood in a very rural area. It was heaven as a child but now I couldn't live somewhere without all my main shopping (Meijer, Aldi) and restaurants (local international food, chains like Chipotle, Panda Express, Culvers, etc). Also would have concerns about distance from best regional hospitals.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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And Ft. Myers itself is only 79K.
Yep. They probably did this on a percentage basis. One decent size firm moves in and it skews the stats. I feel sorry for those that relocate and end up living in Ft Myers, Lehigh Acres or Cape Corals. All are considered undesirable in the area.
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:41 PM
 
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Yep. They probably did this on a percentage basis. One decent size firm moves in and it skews the stats. I feel sorry for those that relocate and end up living in Ft Myers, Lehigh Acres or Cape Corals. All are considered undesirable in the area.
We had the same thing when Twilight was popular. People moved to Forks where the population was barely 3,000 at the time. Now it's a whopping 3800 and the few small businesses that use every Twihard trick there is to capitalize because the town is so poor.

https://forkswa.com/ftffestival/
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:47 PM
 
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Actually the suburbs around cities are growing, not the cities themselves. It is about EMPLOYMENT. Most jobs are located in and around cities.

Yes, the cities have a LOT of problems. There are nice sections and downtown CBD's, but they are often surrounded by ghettos, poverty, and crime. Sad, but it is what Democrats do best. Ruin things.
Indeed, and the reason for that is that most of the major cities within the United States are port cities and are on major waterways which opens them up to commerce. They are America's major distribution centers. As they say in real estate: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. Which means EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT. Which means POPULATION, POPULATION, POPULATION. Which breeds POVERTY, POVERTY, POVERTY and all the crap that goes along with it. You need one segment of the population, those that are working to support those that are not. Since there are more jobs in the major cities and their metro area's there are more people to take from and more than enough people that are more than willing to receive it. Los Angeles, New York City, Detroit and Chicago are prime examples.

The heartland of America is mostly agriculture and ranches, the bread basket of America. They don't need thousands of people to farm the fields and raise the cattle that's why the towns are a lot smaller and there are fewer jobs. Most of those products go from the field onto a truck and train to be distributed across the country. That too does not require thousands of centralized jobs.

There's a reason why most of the illegal invaders and America's indigent populations flock to America's major cities. It's a lot easier for the invaders to blend in with other non-English speaking people and there are more government programs for them and America's indigent people to take advantage of. That's exactly where the Democrats want to keep them. Enslaved to a life of government dependency. Impoverished people are the key to the Democrats power structure.

At one time the United States of America was the world's leading industrial power. Not anymore. As China and Asia have now built up their industrial base they can manufacture the same products a hell of a lot cheaper, mostly due to the cost of labor. We can thank America's organized labor movement for pricing themselves right out of a job. Organized labor is a core constituency of the Democrat Party.

Now the Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to $15 to $20 an hour. Soon someone that's making $25 an hour will demand more as a higher skill deserves a higher wage commensurate with that skill. Is it fair that a good auto mechanic make almost the same as a hamburger flipper at McDonald's? I'd say the hell with this, why should I perform a grueling, grimy job when I can just flip hamburgers for almost the same pay? Prices for everything will have to rise and that $25 an hour will have the purchasing power of $10 an hour. So what will they gain? I guess they haven't learned?
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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Want to talk about Flint? Michigan elected a Republican governor who promptly appointed a city manager over Flint and boom, their water is poisoned. The Republican governor is still being investigated for it.

Why isn't Trump Tower in Dubuque? Why is it in NYC? Why does he have a golf club in New Jersey? Why aren't Republicans in charge of the most prosperous cities in the country? California, a blue state, is the 5th largest economy in the world and they kicked out even more Republicans in 2018.

What happened to the Trump son's plan to open two new hotel chains in flyover country - Scion and American Idea? Look at that forlorn hotel sitting there in Mississippi. Guess flyover country wasn't sucha big market after all.

Blaming Political Climate, Trumps Give Up on New Hotels
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/u...tel-deals.html



Please. Trump supporters aren't looking for clean air, water and soil.

President Donald Trump‘s U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will not ban the agricultural use of chlorpyrifos, a toxic pesticide that the EPA’s own scientists have linked to brain damage in children, The New York Times reported Thursday.

https://www.ceh.org/news-events/pres...content/21243/

83 Environmental Rules Being
Rolled Back Under Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rollbacks.html

E.P.A. Plans to Curtail the Ability of Communities to Oppose Pollution Permits
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/c...on-appeal.html
Struck a nerve, did I?

Sounds like you've got a bad case of TDS?
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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Indeed, and the reason for that is that most of the major cities within the United States are port cities and are on major waterways which opens them up to commerce. They are America's major distribution centers. As they say in real estate: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. Which means EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT. Which means POPULATION, POPULATION, POPULATION. Which breeds POVERTY, POVERTY, POVERTY and all the crap that goes along with it. You need one segment of the population, those that are working to support those that are not. Since there are more jobs in the major cities and their metro area's there are more people to take from and more than enough people that are more than willing to receive it. Los Angeles, New York City, Detroit and Chicago are prime examples.

The heartland of America is mostly agriculture and ranches, the bread basket of America. They don't need thousands of people to farm the fields and raise the cattle that's why the towns are a lot smaller and there are fewer jobs. Most of those products go from the field onto a truck and train to be distributed across the country. That too does not require thousands of centralized jobs.

There's a reason why most of the illegal invaders and America's indigent populations flock to America's major cities. It's a lot easier for the invaders to blend in with other non-English speaking people and there are more government programs for them and America's indigent people to take advantage of. That's exactly where the Democrats want to keep them. Enslaved to a life of government dependency. Impoverished people are the key to the Democrats power structure.

At one time the United States of America was the world's leading industrial power. Not anymore. As China and Asia have now built up their industrial base they can manufacture the same products a hell of a lot cheaper, mostly due to the cost of labor. We can thank America's organized labor movement for pricing themselves right out of a job. Organized labor is a core constituency of the Democrat Party.

Now the Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to $15 to $20 an hour. Soon someone that's making $25 an hour will demand more as a higher skill deserves a higher wage commensurate with that skill. Is it fair that a good auto mechanic make almost the same as a hamburger flipper at McDonald's? I'd say the hell with this, why should I perform a grueling, grimy job when I can just flip hamburgers for almost the same pay? Prices for everything will have to rise and that $25 an hour will have the purchasing power of $10 an hour. So what will they gain? I guess they haven't learned?
As shown here, undocumented immigrants make up more than half the hired labor on farms. Why are the farmers hiring so many illegal immigrants and why hasn't Trump sent ICE to raid the farms? Speaking of taking from government, farmers are getting $50 BILLION of taxpayer money.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal...workers-taxes/

Even Republican Congressman Devin Nunez' family farm depends on illegal immigrants. He doesn't talk about that.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...wa-california/
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