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Old 07-31-2019, 07:15 PM
Location: Boston
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Isn't she also giving them $50K for a deposit on a house too ?
how bout some wheels too?
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Old Yesterday, 07:42 AM
Location: Central New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Mosep View Post
No such thing as free chief. Who's paying for it?
State of NJ. And yes it's free. Police and Fire pension, check it out.
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Old Yesterday, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by joee5 View Post
State of NJ. And yes it's free. Police and Fire pension, check it out.
Free to you, but that poster's point was that it isn't free overall, that someone is paying for it (aka the taxpayers).
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Old Yesterday, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HeyJude514 View Post
So we should never attempt to improve or fix anything that's broken because the people who were forced to live under the broken system wants to make sure no one else ever has it better? That's the definition of a country in decline.

Yes, I paid off my own $40,000 student loan, but as an American I want the generations behind me (and in front of me) to have it better
Nothing is stopping you from contributing more to the government, and some might consider you selfish for wanting government to be the way you want it, a way that gets away from the notion of small government that they feel this nation was founded upon.

because I want us to move forward as a nation.
You see it as forward. Some others see it as the opposite and would like even less government involvement going forward re their feeling that that is closer to the principles the nation was founded upon.

People who want to make sure everyone else is held back because they didn't have access to something in their time are supremely selfish and narrow-minded human beings.
In your opinion. To them, they may be looking at it from a point of view of fairness. You are also applying what you see as fairness in that equation, you're just applying it to a different set of people.

The Tea Party with their "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" are a case in point. Only THEY are worthy of government socialism.
Really should be were rather than are. If the Tea Party had any real influence anymore, Trump might not have signed the last two budgets.
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Old Yesterday, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fifty Seven View Post
Old people are racist so it doesn't matter how fair it is to them. It's part of reparations.
They will die soon so they donít matter.
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Old Yesterday, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MrGompers View Post
Unless you are an extremely higher earner, I don't see how you can pay "well into six figures to medicare" over the decades.

Medicare tax is 1.45% so that's only $1,450 per $100,000. Over forty years that would equal $58,000. If you include the employers side it doubles to $116,000. There is a surcharge of .09% on income over $200,000, but if your income is that high most likely your not earning that thru W-2 wages.

I think you need a new calculator.
No, you need to look at it from the perspective of a small business owner. Like SS, the Medicare tax is paid half by the employee and half by the employer. Small business owners pay both halves ó it comes out of their pocket.
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Old Yesterday, 08:26 AM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I would not put much stock in any specifics, especially funding, at this juncture. I at least give Harris some credit for considering options other than the way too easy to say and hard to implement "Medicare for All".
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Old Yesterday, 08:34 AM
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In short: If Harris ends up being on the Democratic ticket (either as POTUS or VP), I am voting for Trump.

(Actually, the only Dems at this point that I would even consider voting for are Delaney and Gabbard.)
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Old Yesterday, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Seacove View Post
Newsflash, Medicare recipients barely pay a third of the medical benefits they receive plus their health care needs are the most expensive by far. That six figures would barely cover a heart bypass, much less all the health care needs of someone between 65 and 90. Medicare recipients are substantially supplemented by taxpayers. And Medicaid? That is how most nursing home care is paid so many Medicare recipients are also receiving Medicaid.

- Few seniors have actually paid for their Medicare benefits. According to an Urban Institute estimate, the typical retired couple paid $122,000 in lifetime Medicare taxes but can expect to receive benefits worth $387,000.

Further, younger people are cheaper to cover, their health care needs are typically minimal. Want to know what's really going to cost? Making abortion illegal. Most of those poverty stricken, often drug addicted, women forced to give birth will use Medicaid, welfare and food stamps, especially Medicaid, because hospitals will be forced to treat them.
A few years ago I went to a podiatrist that my GP recommended. The office was in Conroe, one of the fastest growing cities percentage wise in the country, and the office was near the regional hospital there. Since then two more hospitals have been built just south of there in The Woodlands to bring the cluster of hospitals in The Woodlands to a total of five. Three other people were in the waiting room at the podiatrist's office, and I chatted with them. I was the only one under 65. All of them said they had things that had bothered them for years and they equated getting to 65 as getting across the finish line. Now that they had Medicare (and I assume a supplement and SS and/or a pension) they addressed and felt they could continue to address issues that they would have put off in the past. All three of these people were obese, and I wondered what they could have avoided if they had taken better care of themselves.
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Old Yesterday, 08:39 AM
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Trump is terrible, but whats even worse is a cop who thinks more govt is the answer to every question.
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