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Old Yesterday, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Any large entitlement program must be largely paid by the middle class.
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Old Yesterday, 11:54 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Universal health care has worked pretty well in the countries that have it. Thing is, everyone has to participate. If you are a citizen you contribute and when you need it, you take out. In this country, some people don't want to be in on a health care plan. Either they are very very rich and can pay their own way or they are poor and stupidly think they can save money because they will never need health care. When they get sick is when the rest of us have to pay for their emergency treatment even though they never pitched in. But they get nothing more than ER and then get kicked out.

If people aren't going to pitch in like they do in other countries, then I think Joe Biden's type of plan is the best. He'll let people continue to buy health insurance through their jobs but for others, he will improve Obamacare so that it's fairer. He knows it needs work.
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Old Today, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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And they are. They are going right for the middle class wallet
Democrats should be honest and just say it, instead of lying to the public. Americans are smart to know these utopian policies are going to require unfairly overtaxing the middle class.

Not that Medicare for ALL (including illegal aliens/ anyone on earth that’s makes it on American soil) will ever pass Congress nor would most Americans allow it.
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Old Today, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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Mcconnel allowed the middle class to be taxed in perpetuity to pay for Trumps tax cut for the rich.
Harris or whoever must work to abolish that.

Mcconnel and Paul Ryan jump ahead of Trump in the traitor category.

I didn't know I was rich. I guess by dRAT's standards I am. But anyways I'm enjoying my Trump tax cut. If more dRATs actually worked they would have realized a tax cut also.
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Old Today, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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So how does Kamala Harris intend to pay for her Medicare For All plan? Tax households making $100k or more (which is squarely middle class in most HCOL areas) and charge taxes on stock trades which is again arbitrary theft from many hardworking middle class folks who are diligently trying to save in their 401k and other accounts for retirement. Disgusting and despicable!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ill-pay-for-it

"Harris’ rollout is a 3-part plan covering all medical essentials exempting households below $100,000, a higher income threshold for middle-class families living in high-cost areas"

$100,000/yr is NOT high income in high-cost areas!! Is this woman on drugs?

"To pay for these changes, she will tax Wall Street stock trades at 0.2%, bond trades at 0.1%, and derivative transactions at 0.002%."

Yeah, let's become another Europe where the government just steals and pillages from private enterprises and business, look how well it's worked for them... record unemployment, record negative business activity, horrible economies that they have not been able to jumpstart in decades.
What do you want to bet that the very same people that whine and moan about the SALT cap passed as part of Trump's tax cut that hits middle income people in high-cost areas....make excuses for this new tax that does the same?

Thing is, it WON'T be just those taxpayers that have to pay. There aren't enough "rich" (even with a $100k household cap) to fund this pipe dream. Like Europe, it will have to be paid for with regressive taxes that everyone will have to contribute to. Which...is as it should be. If everyone sees some "benefit"-everyone should pay. Again...just like Europe.
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Old Today, 06:36 AM
 
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Mcconnel allowed the middle class to be taxed in perpetuity to pay for Trumps tax cut for the rich.
Harris or whoever must work to abolish that.

Mcconnel and Paul Ryan jump ahead of Trump in the traitor category.
What tax cuts for the rich?
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Old Today, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Here.
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Once again, an economically ignorant socialist proposes a plan that does nothing to reduce health care costs. Medical providers will simply increase prices 0.2%
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Old Today, 07:08 AM
 
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Calm down. She accepts lots of "donations" from the medical industrial complex. This is just empty rhetoric. Big business will still be firmly in charge of policy if she is elected. And employer based insurance makes sure business has tremendous power over workers. That is not something they are prepared to give up without a fight.
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Old Today, 07:36 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Calm down. She accepts lots of "donations" from the medical industrial complex. This is just empty rhetoric. Big business will still be firmly in charge of policy if she is elected. And employer based insurance makes sure business has tremendous power over workers. That is not something they are prepared to give up without a fight.
You win this thread.

Once again changing the supply end while completely ignoring the cost end.

The original post has a terrible link with almost no details. Even CNN did a better job and that is scary.

Google it and select a network to ones political liking. Pretty much all of them did a better job. Scroll down about 6 to 8 for less leftish sourcing.
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Old Today, 07:44 AM
 
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Health care isn't free. So do you pretty strongly think that poor people should be denied treatment for their illnesses by the government and they learn to accept being sick as a daily way of life?
The government wouldn't be denying them anything. Read the US Constitution. Article I Section 8. Providing health care to all in the US is not an enumerated power/responsibility of the federal government.

It could be the purview of each state. The people of each state could decide whether or not their state government will provide health care to all in that state. But they'd have to tax the hell out of their residents to pay for it. Most states are already severely underwater in regards to their public employees'/retirees' pensions.

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Or should they try to get funding for their health care by privately raised funding? If so, good luck with that.
Since so many seem to support providing health care paid for by others, there should be no problem forming a charitable foundation which does exactly that. Then all the "you get, but others have to pay for it" advocates can put their money where their mouths are and voluntarily fund 100% of the need.
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