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Old 07-29-2019, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Any large entitlement program must be largely paid by the middle class.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:54 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Universal health care has worked pretty well in the countries that have it. Thing is, everyone has to participate. If you are a citizen you contribute and when you need it, you take out. In this country, some people don't want to be in on a health care plan. Either they are very very rich and can pay their own way or they are poor and stupidly think they can save money because they will never need health care. When they get sick is when the rest of us have to pay for their emergency treatment even though they never pitched in. But they get nothing more than ER and then get kicked out.

If people aren't going to pitch in like they do in other countries, then I think Joe Biden's type of plan is the best. He'll let people continue to buy health insurance through their jobs but for others, he will improve Obamacare so that it's fairer. He knows it needs work.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:08 AM
 
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Default How is Harris' "Free" Medicare-for-All Fair to Elderly Citizens?

Sure, her latest giveaway sounds good to the vast majority of voters: Free Health Insurance!

Specifically, she is promising that families with incomes under $100K (the average HHI is in the 50s) will get premium-free Medicare. Yay! But how is this fair to the families who have paid into Medicare for 40 years, the vast majority of whom never breached the $100K mark? They have paid in for decades what will now be provided free-of-charge to most families.

But wait. It's even worse. Taxes will go up to cover the free stuff, so that means that not only did the elderly pay into the system that is now free to most everyone else, their taxes will be raised to GIVE it to the people for whom it is now free.

I'm not quite at Medicare age yet, but I have calculated that I have contributed well into the six-figures over the decades while ALSO paying for my own health insurance.

So, let's see: she wants health care for illegals AND free health care for all under $100K. Do I hear $200K? Going....going....
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Old people are racist so it doesn't matter how fair it is to them. It's part of reparations.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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It never ceases to amaze me that working-age Americans will pay twice to get their healthcare.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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I pay twice to get my retirement... I rather not pay into social security, where is my opt out of paying twice...
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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Luckily I have free healthcare for life. But that was after putting in my 25 years. I earned mine as I feel everyone else should earn theirs too.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:27 AM
 
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Luckily I have free healthcare for life. But that was after putting in my 25 years. I earned mine as I feel everyone else should earn theirs too.

No such thing as free chief. Who's paying for it?
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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I pay twice to get my retirement... I rather not pay into social security, where is my opt out of paying twice...
Not the same thing. Everyone is paying in to SS. If you didn't pay in, you won't get.

With Harris, she's proposing that everyone STOP paying in to get Medicare, and the people who paid in for 40 years and had to wait until age 65? Oh well.

Same thing will happen with this ridiculous bribe about forgiving all outstanding student loans. How are the people who just finished paying off $100,000 going to feel, especially since their taxes will be raised in order to pay off other people's loans?

Democrats are just piling on top of one another to see who can come up with the better bribe.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Boston
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No such thing as free chief. Who's paying for it?
Amazing people still believe that.
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