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Old Yesterday, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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The underlined nailed it !!! Sad they think of themselves as highly educated !!!



Liberals are just as apt to use the billyclub on themselves to claim they are victims !!!
They may be educated but they are not smart enough to see through what Rachel is telling them is the truth.
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Conservatives want me to pay for their wall and their out of control military...and tax breaks for the rich and the corporations.

Well, I don't like paying for their ballooning deficit, Wall...and we spend way, way, way too much money (and time and involvement in military spending, and it's not even really for our defense...we are getting involved in other countries
business and politics and we shouldn't.
I hate that they take half of the money I make, but to do it just to spread more war....I would rather see it benefit society,
not destroy it. Save lives, not take lives. Benefit us, not rob from us. I would rather see it benefit a poor, struggling person than another billionaire. But that is just me.
You are absolutely correct. Herein lies our mutual discontent: a gov’t system that not many Americans feel is really working for THEM any longer.

But since we choose to box each other rather than jointly demand more accountability, they continue to get away with it, and we all continue to fight each other instead of them.

Pretty great racket they have going on if you think about it.
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Well it rings true with my own belief about Conservatives. In general Conservative politicians tend to be better "gamers" than liberals, in that they have a deeper understand of how to manipulate people (or the system) toward their own ends, while looking for that slight competitive advantage. That is often how the rich get ahead.
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Old Yesterday, 12:59 PM
 
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This is a good read about liberals and the way they think... if you get into this stuff. It's a little long, but it highlights why progressives are angry and hostile - and it also illustrates why conservatives can actually talk through issues.

From March 2018... The Psychology of Progressive Hostility

In his remarkable book The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion, Haidt recalls a telling experiment. He and his colleagues Brian Nosek and Jesse Graham sought to discover how well conservative and what Haidt terms ‘liberal’ (ie: progressive) students understood one another by having them answer moral questions as they thought their political opponents would answer them. “The results were clear and consistent,” remarks Haidt. “In all analyses, conservatives were more accurate than liberals.” Asked to think the way a liberal thinks, conservatives answered moral questions just as the liberal would answer them, but liberal students were unable to do the reverse. Rather, they seemed to put moral ideas into the mouths of conservatives that they don’t hold. To put it bluntly, Haidt and his colleagues found that progressives don’t understand conservatives the way conservatives understand progressives. This he calls the ‘conservative advantage,’ and it goes a long way in explaining the different ways each side deals with opinions unlike their own. People get angry at what they don’t understand, and an all-progressive education ensures that they don’t understand.

Haidt’s research echoes arguments made by Thomas Sowell in A Conflict of Visions and Steven Pinker in The Blank Slate. Both Sowell and Pinker contend that conservatives see an unfortunate world of moral trade-offs in which every moral judgment comes with costs that must be properly balanced. Progressives, on the other hand, seem to be blind to, or in denial about, these trade-offs, whether economic and social; theirs is a utopian or unconstrained vision, in which every moral grievance must be immediately extinguished until we have perfected society. This is why conservatives don’t tend to express the same emotional hostility as the Left; a deeper grasp of the world’s complexity has the effect of encouraging intellectual humility. The conservative hears the progressive’s latest demands and says, “I can see how you might come to that conclusion, but I think you’ve overlooked the following…” In contrast, the progressive hears the conservative and thinks, “I have no idea why you would believe that. You’re probably a racist.”


Based on the underlined, it seems to be an issue of education and understanding, and that turns into anger when one's utopia is threatened.

I also think people use anger as a billyclub to gain leverage.
I have read that book, and seen the author in a couple of podcast that is a wild misrepresentation of what the book says. Its not black and white its a more likely by 15%, and it does go up with education level and political engagement. The more educated a liberal is the more likely he is to think that conservatives think something they dont, like they dont believe in evolution, things of the sort. There is an element of classism, he never mentions the "education system" . The whole thing with the conservative advantage isnt that you have a more balanced view the thing you measure against are things like loyalty, authority and sanctity. The left tends to think that traditional institutions and hierarchies as obstacles to their fight for liberty and equality.
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Old Yesterday, 01:02 PM
 
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People on the far left are emotion-based and not logic or fact-based in their politics.

I've told the story previously about a friend who describes herself as progressive who asked me how I could possibly be moderate in my views. When I came back with data and facts, she said she didn't know about any of that but she knew in her heart she was right. I asked if she had data or facts that she could share and she had none, but repeated she knew in her heart what was right. I asked her where she got her news - what tv shows or papers and she said she doesn't watch or read the news.

I'm sure not all people on the far left are like her, but I do believe what I stated - they are emotionally-driven and not fact-based in their thinking.
fact-based != anecdotes-based
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Old Yesterday, 01:08 PM
 
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Liberals are triggered by their emotions

Conservatives are triggered by the stupidity of others
You guys say the silliest ****!

All people are triggered by emotion. That’s why it’s called “emotion!” You actually emote. SMH

If I give you a donkey kick to the chest, you’ll be triggered by the emotion of anger and bewilderment.

Geez. You guys need to stop posting worn out platitudes.
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Old Yesterday, 01:12 PM
 
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I have read that book, and seen the author in a couple of podcast that is a wild misrepresentation of what the book says. Its not black and white its a more likely by 15%, and it does go up with education level and political engagement. The more educated a liberal is the more likely he is to think that conservatives think something they dont, like they dont believe in evolution, things of the sort. There is an element of classism, he never mentions the "education system" . The whole thing with the conservative advantage isnt that you have a more balanced view the thing you measure against are things like loyalty, authority and sanctity. The left tends to think that traditional institutions and hierarchies as obstacles to their fight for liberty and equality.


Liberals fighting for "liberty and equality"?


That is a laugh. Liberals oppose the US Constitution, which guarantees our personal liberties, and support authoritarian bans and edicts from a strong central government at the EXPENSE of the individual.


If everyone was "equal", living in a mud hut, burning dung for fuel, and living on a handful of rice every day and EQUAL, then a liberal would be happy. Of course, there would "enlightened" feudal lords living like kings, but that is beside the point.


Keep in mind that Marx DID NOT oppose systems of monarchy, in which oligarchs controlled the balance of serfs through royal decree. When one examines communism/socialism, there is an element of nodding to a central authoritarian figure, which is the exact opposite of a system that respects and promotes individual liberty.


Liberalism is the greatest enemy of individual liberty today.
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Old Yesterday, 01:37 PM
 
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No, it's intellectual laziness. There is no one way all liberals everywhere think. I know it's easier to go "libz r the b0rg lol" and call it a day, but that isn't realistic, considering liberals are individuals with individual thoughts and individual beliefs.
so a social scientist does scientific research backed up by experimentation and peer review, and its "intellectual laziness" ? why? because the conclusion isn't what you like?


LOL.
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Old Yesterday, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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To the OP point, it isn't "progressive" hostility that uses the "because I don't understand it, I am going to make up something that I can hate on and get to hating on it" psychology. That's hostility generally. That's the basis of of virtually all "anti-something" hatreds. Caricatures and easily understood memes stand in for reason and knowledge, and ignorance rules the day.

Why do you think politicians speak in platitudes, bromides and 3 second meme soundbites? It isn't because they want you to reason, think, deliberate, or anything of the sort. They want you to react...preferably overreact. They want hysterics to overrule logic. Think about it...if you based every vote on logical, sober, thoughtful deliberation of the facts, history, pattern recognition, etc...95% of the political class wouldn't stand a chance being elected to dog catcher, much less an actual position of power. So they appeal to your emotions, sympathies, fears, insecurities and yes, hatreds.

Knowledge is the ultimate power, and they want you to remain weak so that they remain unchallenged. They want you so busy fighting over whether you should have them harming Grandma in the present or your grandchildren in the future that you remain ignorant of the fact that they shouldn't be harming anyone, ever, and who the f*** gave them that power? 99% of you oblige them, regardless of ideological team. You spend so much time arguing over which style of shackle everyone should be wearing that you forget to question how the hell you ended up enslaved in the first place.

This thread does the same thing. Those guys, the ones over there on that side of the aisle, they are the "real" problem, and life would be so great if only. To which those guys over there reply, no no, if only it weren't for you! Meanwhile, the actual problem sits back and enjoys the show as their marionettes do farcical, mock combat.

Newsflash...both sides are colossally ignorant of their true problem/enemy, and they are so doped up on cheap highs from the welfare state that they've become incapable of seeing their twisted reality for what it is.
My point for bring this up was not about solving the political issue as you described it. I agree with you from the politicians perspective about keeping us divided and ill-informed. And I'm not really saying it's their fault.

But I do think it's a relational problem if a sizable portion of the country can't deal with facts and have a reasonable discussion, or misrepresent what I think about an issue and resort to name calling. Just as a culture - how do you get past that? How do you ever solve any problems?
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Old Yesterday, 02:09 PM
 
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People on the far left are emotion-based and not logic or fact-based in their politics.

I've told the story previously about a friend who describes herself as progressive who asked me how I could possibly be moderate in my views. When I came back with data and facts, she said she didn't know about any of that but she knew in her heart she was right. I asked if she had data or facts that she could share and she had none, but repeated she knew in her heart what was right. I asked her where she got her news - what tv shows or papers and she said she doesn't watch or read the news.

I'm sure not all people on the far left are like her, but I do believe what I stated - they are emotionally-driven and not fact-based in their thinking.
And I know many conservatives who have no reasoning capabilities at all and base everything on fear and emotions. And I know many liberals who reason and look at facts and science and aren't ruled by fear and emotions. Amazing how that happens, isn't it?
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