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Old 07-30-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman
No, he didn't.

He just underwent voluntary genital mutilation, and picked up a drug habit (hormones).

If you took a Ford, changed the name badge to Toyota, put on a Toyota air cleaner, and put a Toyota radio and seat covers in it, would it now be a Toyota?

Ridiculous.

He's just as much a man as he ever was. He was born a man, did all his growing up as a man with the normal male hormones and male influences. Cosmetic surgery changed nothing. It just enabled him to lie and cheat more easily in sports competitions.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman and now at 41 is dominating women's weightlifting competitions. She just won 2 Golds and a Silver medal in her 3 events including beating out the strongest woman from the most recent commonwealth games.

An organization called "Speak up for women" is arguing that people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women, while others are saying that speak up for women is being discriminatory and hurtful.

Should Laurel Hubbard be allowed to compete in the Olympics with the women?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...cid=spartanntp
Absolutely.

No better way to experience unintended consequences.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Japan
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I've watched "women's weightlifting" before. Not sure I've ever seen a woman participating
I doubt you've watched much then. Either that or you don't know what athletic women look like.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:33 PM
 
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You are getting ahead of yourself.



Caster Semenya, the great South African runner, born female but with some non-standard physiology results was just banned from defending her world title.



Pretty weird with Hubbard competes but Caster is banned.


It is weird, but not as weird as you think.



There is privacy with Semenya, but there is allegedly at least a question of her having biological male traits - her test concluded that she had XY Chromosomes not XX, as in her chromosomes are male, which is supposedly why some are fighting her and then also different rules apply to her.

She also has extremely high levels of testosterone, even for a man - higher than Hubbard's. So why can't Semenya just say she is transgendered and then run? People competing as women must have testosterone under a certain already high level. A level already 10 to 20 times higher than the typical girl range and Semenya is even beyond that.


Semenya can compete as a girl, but must have testosterone levels under a certain level for the IAAF to compete as a girl. Hubbard's are under that level. Semenya's are NOT under that level. So she must reduce her testosterone level or run as a man - based on the rules.

So it actually makes sense based on the rules. If Semenya would choose to compete as a man...then she would be fine with her testosterone levels.


P.S. It is believed that all 3 medal winners for the 2016 Olympic women's 800 meter are intersex....and have XY Chromosomes.


https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05...y-chromosomes/
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:35 PM
 
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman and now at 41 is dominating women's weightlifting competitions. She just won 2 Golds and a Silver medal in her 3 events including beating out the strongest woman from the most recent commonwealth games.

An organization called "Speak up for women" is arguing that people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women, while others are saying that speak up for women is being discriminatory and hurtful.

Should Laurel Hubbard be allowed to compete in the Olympics with the women?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...cid=spartanntp
At this point, all we really know for sure is that the Leftists and Democrats are determined to destroy Women’s Athletics.

When they mandate that any male who decides to identify as female ... the Biological Female will always lose.

It will eventually destroy Women’s Sports. PERIOD
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yes, she should be able to compete as a man in weightlifting, Tennis, Golf, Track and Field etc

The use of the world Male and Female has no place in the Modern world
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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Yes, she should be able to compete as a man in weightlifting, Tennis, Golf, Track and Field etc

The use of the world Male and Female has no place in the Modern world
I say you and I team up in one of those dog obedience competitions.

You can tell me to spell words like physical and ostracized, and when none of the other "dogs" can match us, we'll clean up.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:53 PM
 
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It is weird, but not as weird as you think.



There is privacy with Semenya, but there is allegedly at least a question of her having biological male traits - her test concluded that she had XY Chromosomes not XX, as in her chromosomes are male, which is supposedly why some are fighting her and then also different rules apply to her.

She also has extremely high levels of testosterone, even for a man - higher than Hubbard's. So why can't Semenya just say she is transgendered and then run? People competing as women must have testosterone under a certain already high level. A level already 10 to 20 times higher than the typical girl range and Semenya is even beyond that.


Semenya can compete as a girl, but must have testosterone levels under a certain level for the IAAF to compete as a girl. Hubbard's are under that level. Semenya's are NOT under that level. So she must reduce her testosterone level or run as a man - based on the rules.

So it actually makes sense based on the rules. If Semenya would choose to compete as a man...then she would be fine with her testosterone levels.


P.S. It is believed that all 3 medal winners for the 2016 Olympic women's 800 meter are intersex....and have XY Chromosomes.


https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/05...y-chromosomes/

The Y chromosome is not expressed, i.e. turned on. It's there, but she is essentially functioning physiologically as a female on a single X. Anyway who is it to say that certain levels are female and certain levels are not when she clearly exists as a female with the levels supposed to be non-female.



Then, one contrasts that to transgender athletes who clearly have developed bodies based on the male gender, but are allowed to function as a female.



IMHO, Caster should be competing as a female. That's who she is; arbitrary levels are just that arbitrary.
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Old 07-30-2019, 10:59 PM
 
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman and now at 41 is dominating women's weightlifting competitions. She just won 2 Golds and a Silver medal in her 3 events including beating out the strongest woman from the most recent commonwealth games.

An organization called "Speak up for women" is arguing that people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women, while others are saying that speak up for women is being discriminatory and hurtful.

Should Laurel Hubbard be allowed to compete in the Olympics with the women?

It is hilarious how the "woke" Left has gone from championing women's rights to now subverting actual women via men pretending to be women. How insane can you actually get?
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Old Yesterday, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Yet, enhancement drugs still a no-no.
I can't wait to try and sign up for the Girl Scouts.

That's an issue in the UK with the Girl Guides - their new guidelines allow for males who identify as females to join as Guides and leaders, share sleeping and washing spaces with girls on camp without informing parents, completely against safeguarding rules. And kicked whistleblowers out for telling us about this change.
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