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Old 07-30-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman and now at 41 is dominating women's weightlifting competitions. She just won 2 Golds and a Silver medal in her 3 events including beating out the strongest woman from the most recent commonwealth games.

An organization called "Speak up for women" is arguing that people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women, while others are saying that speak up for women is being discriminatory and hurtful.

Should Laurel Hubbard be allowed to compete in the Olympics with the women?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...cid=spartanntp
Should compete in menís division. His plumbing is still male therefore the Olympic Committee should not allow mental illness to dictate otherwise.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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I don't understand why these people just realize that they can no longer participate in these competitions. They are doing no service whatsoever for their transgender cause. In fact, I think they are setting back the transgender movement every time they step on the stage.
They know exactly what they are doing. A mediocre, experienced male athlete can compete with top tier female athletes, but gets demolished by top tier male athletes.

41 years old and never accomplished jack squat in regards to winning, starts competing as a woman and magically places first almost every single time. His numbers were not even close to competitive before transitioning to a woman.

It is complete BS.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Each individual should negotiate the terms under which they agree to compete.

Freedom of movement.

Freedom of association.

Voluntary contracts (redundant).

Team Red, you'll sleep better at night when you understand all this. Trust me.

Nah, I donít condone obvious mental illness.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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Actually, the boy in Texas was a female-to-male transgender on testosterone.
Still a girl.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: North State (California)
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The simple solution is to have two categories: Women and Open. Anyone can compete in Open. Only biological women can compete in Women.

It makes no sense that a 41 year old is still competitive, but she won't win the Olympics.
I agree, there should be a third category for people who have trans'd themselves. It is not fair to women to compete again a male, even if he had his thingies chopped off. Men are inherently stronger. I have my own thoughts on trans people, but that is not the question here, it seems they are here to stay, so give them their own category.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman
No, he didn't.

He just underwent voluntary genital mutilation, and picked up a drug habit (hormones).

If you took a Ford, changed the name badge to Toyota, put on a Toyota air cleaner, and put a Toyota radio and seat covers in it, would it now be a Toyota?

Ridiculous.

He's just as much a man as he ever was. He was born a man, did all his growing up as a man with the normal male hormones and male influences. Cosmetic surgery changed nothing. It just enabled him to lie and cheat more easily in sports competitions.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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The simple solution is to have two categories: Women and Open. Anyone can compete in Open. Only biological women can compete in Women.

It makes no sense that a 41 year old is still competitive, but she won't win the Olympics.
You mean ďheĒ.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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They know exactly what they are doing. A mediocre, experienced male athlete can compete with top tier female athletes, but gets demolished by top tier male athletes.

41 years old and never accomplished jack squat in regards to winning, starts competing as a woman and magically places first almost every single time. His numbers were not even close to competitive before transitioning to a woman.

It is complete BS.
I'll take it one step further. This means that they are morally deficient.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Finland
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The IAAF has legal limits on the amount of testosterone female athletes can possess and still be able to participate. Many "naturally" born female athletes have a hard time staying under the legal limits. I'm kind of surprised that this trans person is able to stay under the limits for the reasons you described in your post.
Although current testosterone levels matter it's not just that, it's testosterone throughout their life, particularly during puberty, that makes the biggest differences in size, speed, skeletal differences (this matters particularly to weight lifting that Hubbard is doing), lung capacity, muscles, the list goes on. Hormone therapy does not change these natural advantages.
And no, many female athletes (apart from athletes with DSDs - intersex as more commonly known, Caster Semenya for instance) do not have a hard time staying under the legal limits, the limit is far above the normal female range
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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Laurel Hubbard was born a man and was into weightlifting without much success. However, in her 30s she transitioned to being a woman and now at 41 is dominating women's weightlifting competitions. She just won 2 Golds and a Silver medal in her 3 events including beating out the strongest woman from the most recent commonwealth games.

An organization called "Speak up for women" is arguing that people born as men should not be allowed to compete as women, while others are saying that speak up for women is being discriminatory and hurtful.

Should Laurel Hubbard be allowed to compete in the Olympics with the women?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...cid=spartanntp


Newsflash: He still is.
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