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Old 07-31-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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Andrew Yang's IQ is at least 3x that of Donald Trump.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:04 PM
 
Location: NYC
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What happens if Biden is the one who ends up on the ticket? How many black Americans are going to vote for him if they've already accepted that he's not the person they want because of what Booker & Harris has put out there.
Not the case at all... Biden polls much better among African Americans than either Booker or Harris.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:07 PM
 
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If the Democrats were smart they would run Tulsi.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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Not the case at all... Biden polls much better among African Americans than either Booker or Harris.
Yes right now. But what happens if the debates get ugly. That's what I forgot to mention in my original post. These debates are probably going to get ugly & Booker and Harris could bring up race to try and make Biden seem like he's not going to have black voters in his best interest. Will every black voter listen? Of course not. But we saw what the lack of black voters in 2016 did. Many black voters simply are not going to come out and vote for a white president at all. They just aren't going to care. If you take that amount with others that start to have negative feelings because of what Booker/Harris say. I just wonder if they could cost him votes if he wins the ticket.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:17 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Yes right now. But what happens if the debates get ugly. That's what I forgot to mention in my original post. These debates are probably going to get ugly & Booker and Harris could bring up race to try and make Biden seem like he's not going to have black voters in his best interest. Will every black voter listen? Of course not. But we saw what the lack of black voters in 2016 did. Many black voters simply are not going to come out and vote for a white president at all. They just aren't going to care. If you take that amount with others that start to have negative feelings because of what Booker/Harris say. I just wonder if they could cost him votes if he wins the ticket.
Of all of them, I agree with Biden's policies the most. All the rest are way too far to the left. Tulsi supported Sanders in 2016 and I think her father was accused of being some sort of cult member, something Hindu that opposed LBGT. Being Hindu makes her anti-Muslim which may resonate with a lot of people who hate Muslims so maybe that gives her an advantage.

But I think (will have to read more about her) she's like the rest with the giveaways and health care for all "residents" instead of for all citizens and LEGAL residents. That means health care for illegals, maybe even open borders.

Biden's healthcare plan is just to keep the ACA but fix it and let people keep their plan where they work if they want to. Kind of simple. Don't throw the baby out with the dishwater--build on the ACA which we already have. And he's not forcing anyone to join the ACA. He's got all the right policies but he's just not a good debater, probably he's too nice a guy. He's the guy you'd want to sit down and have a beer with, a good neighbor, a good friend. Too bad so much of this has to rely on debating skills.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:23 AM
 
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In the end , after everything it looks like two White Males will compete for the Presidency of the United States . These debates are a barometer to what will transpire or is in the stars for the future. No change in White Male domination where in turn we see , judging by the downward spiral of Kamala Harris, the humbling of ambitious black females in society. The loser tonight was black womanhood and Kamala Harris was shockingly meek and beaten into submission.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:57 AM
 
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What happens if Biden is the one who ends up on the ticket? How many black Americans are going to vote for him if they've already accepted that he's not the person they want because of what Booker & Harris has put out there.

Because most voters won't even be aware that this debate existed.

Most people aren't that involved in the nitty gritty and all the back and forth of the primary squables. Nobobdy cares. Except the 15'ish people in this thread.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Of all of them, I agree with Biden's policies the most. All the rest are way too far to the left. Tulsi supported Sanders in 2016 and I think her father was accused of being some sort of cult member, something Hindu that opposed LBGT. Being Hindu makes her anti-Muslim which may resonate with a lot of people who hate Muslims so maybe that gives her an advantage.

But I think (will have to read more about her) she's like the rest with the giveaways and health care for all "residents" instead of for all citizens and LEGAL residents. That means health care for illegals, maybe even open borders.
I think by "resident" what is meant is anyone who can pay the premiums can participate in the healthcare system. And if they are paying, why not? I don't have a problem with that although I would have a problem if I am paying for healthcare for an illegal.

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Biden's healthcare plan is just to keep the ACA but fix it and let people keep their plan where they work if they want to. Kind of simple. Don't throw the baby out with the dishwater--build on the ACA which we already have. And he's not forcing anyone to join the ACA. He's got all the right policies but he's just not a good debater, probably he's too nice a guy. He's the guy you'd want to sit down and have a beer with, a good neighbor, a good friend. Too bad so much of this has to rely on debating skills.
It is unrealistic to have a voluntary plan that is not heavily subsidized. Insurance works because the risk is pooled so that healthy people help pay the cost of the unhealthy. But if it is voluntary, very few healthy people will sign up which means premiums will go way up for everyone else. It will become unaffordable and will collapse. This is the whole reason ACA had the mandatory insurance requirement.

Gabbard is my state Senator. I find her less progressive than Bernie and Warren but she is definitely left of Biden.

After the first debate I liked Kamala but all I hear from her now is the race card and it is getting old. She, and several others, need to get off the immigrant and "Trump is a racist" thing and just talk about what they will do to improve life for middle America. I thought Delaney and Ryan came out the best so far. They are both moderates and have good ideas.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:46 AM
 
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I think Gillibrand said that minorities need her, a white woman of privilege, to explain white privilege to white suburban women.

Isn't that a white privilege mindset?

I think that I can get pretty good at this stuff if I set my mind to it.
I'm a rural Western Pennsylvania white woman who voted for Trump and will again in 2020. All Gilli's scolding and lecturing on my "privilege" won't instill any guilt or sway me.

So she tried this in Youngstown Ohio? No offense to Youngstown (I used to work there, and SIL is a YSU graduate), but THAT made me guffaw.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:01 AM
 
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Gillenbrand for sure. But Harris won't be too damaged by this long term. I think Harris has a VERY strong chance to become the nominee.

I think Gillenbrand has zero chance moving forward. She is so annoying, and comes across as a woman who would want to speak to a manager. LOL
She fits the bill of a "Karen"...a term I saw on a WalMart Reddit website. That's what they call the salon coiffed, well dressed soccer mom-type, SUV driving yuppie who's always complaining to the manager and thinks she's superior to everyone else. She also reminds me of some of the urban transplants to my small rural town...the type that cornered my supervisor (I'm a school cafeteria cook) at the Giant Eagle and asked why (demanded, actually) we don't initiate vegetarian Thai or Indian foods into our school lunch menus.
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