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Old 08-01-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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I didn't watch the July 30 or 31 debates. after watching the democratic party presidential debates last month and reading the candidates answers to the debate questions the last two days, I know what the democratic party is embracing for 2020: open borders, free healthcare for illegals, student loan payoffs by taxpayers, $1000 a month government stipends, shutting down the fossil fuel industries, "taxing the hell out of the rich", reparations for black citizens, third trimester abortion on demand, government mortgage assistance for black citizens, eliminating private health insurance in favor of government control of healthcare, and all white americans are entitled, racist, and privileged.

What a great platform!
The only thing I agree with is the student loans need some relief. Having people come out of college with the equivalent of thirty-year mortgages is going to disrupt housing and nearly everything else. This is a real problem. But the white privilege talk and border issues are very off putting. There are plenty of white people suffering today. Telling them theyíre privileged isnít going to win them back. I thought they were going to drop that talk, but instead they double down on it. Itís very discouraging.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What? Are you serious?

Go look at what happened in 1947 India when it was partitioned to form Pakistan. This for the specific purpose of removing Muslims from India. 100s of 1000s if not millions killed. And now India (Hindu) and Pakistan (Muslim) have atomic bombs pointed at each other.
Yeah genius....Tulsi Gabbart grew up in Somoa and Hawaii. Even if she is Hindu, do you really think she's anti-Muslim because of the Hindu/Muslim conflicts between India and Pakistan that originated in 1947. Come up with a better argument than that weak one!!!
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I just remembered that Biden actually had a much stronger and more impressive debate against Paul Ryan in the VP debates in 2012. So maybe part of his lack of success is age-related or more accurately that the fire for this has just passed him.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:49 AM
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Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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If one of the ladies is nominated then they will start using words like Sexist, Birth Control, Equal Pay.
They aren't ladies; they're (Ugh!) Ö Democrats!
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
I didn't watch the July 30 or 31 debates. after watching the democratic party presidential debates last month and reading the candidates answers to the debate questions the last two days, I know what the democratic party is embracing for 2020: open borders, free healthcare for illegals, student loan payoffs by taxpayers, $1000 a month government stipends, shutting down the fossil fuel industries, "taxing the hell out of the rich", reparations for black citizens, government mortgage assistance for black citizens, eliminating private health insurance in favor of government control of healthcare, and all white americans are entitled, racist, and privileged.

What a great platform!
Two of the current four front runners are not in that camp.

4 years ago, the Republican debate stage was packed with moderates and then there was Trump, the street fighter who tapped into fear and anger.

Itís going to take the same kind of tap for the best shot at beating Trump.

I trend moderate.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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Who was your street fighter?

I liked;
Steve Bullock in the first debate, but don't know much enough about him yet
Tulsi Gabbard in the second debate she has a strong foreign policy which is what we need right now

Biden/Gabbard I think would be a solid ticket to defeat Trump right now. We'll see after the third debate.
Do you think Biden wants to be V.P. again ?

I suppose Gabbard could wake him up when and if needed !!!
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I just remembered that Biden actually had a much stronger and more impressive debate against Paul Ryan in the VP debates in 2012. So maybe part of his lack of success is age-related or more accurately that the fire for this has just passed him.
Biden was so wacky during that debate , he threw Ryan off his game.

Perhaps Biden should have listened to his gut and not thrown his hat into the ring, this time.

For whatever reason, Biden is not demonstrating passion.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Do you think Biden wants to be V.P. again ?

I suppose Gabbard could wake him up when and if needed !!!
I like Gabbard. I like a lot of people. None of them can beat Trump.
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Who was your street fighter?

I liked;
Steve Bullock in the first debate, but don't know much enough about him yet
Tulsi Gabbard in the second debate she has a strong foreign policy which is what we need right now

Biden/Gabbard I think would be a solid ticket to defeat Trump right now. We'll see after the third debate.
I too liked Bullock best in the first debate and probably Gabbard in the second.

I also acknowledge a moderate canít beat Trump.

Trump won by tapping into fear and anger. Itís going to take a revolution of anger to beat Trump.
That much of that agenda is DOA and/ or subject to moderation in Congress does not matter as much as beating Trump.

I am speaking from a strategic standpoint, not my own position which trends moderate.
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I agree with you, mam. the democrats have to go big (with their socialist revolution) or go home. Is the country ready to elect a socialist....maybe. I doubt young voters, who outnumber boomers, would vote for biden, but they would likely go to the polls enthusiastically for sanders or warren.
As previously mentioned, Mayor Pete made the point Tuesday night, no matter who, the GOP is running on a anti- socialism platform.

Who can motivate the most people, especially in strategic states, to get off the couch and put their phones down and vote?
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