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Old 08-02-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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Haha. So True. And to think, some of you defend the MSM without thought or question.






Yes, they are so brainwashed they will defend the MSM to the bitter end.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:55 AM
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That is not true.

Many do not take Trump's quotes out of context. We see them on Twitter...we have videos.

What happens is -- Trump says something stupid, there is outrage -- and then there is a barrage of defenders telling us - 'that's not what he meant.....this is what he meant...." and then they spin it.

If you watch news reporting..not the pundit shows...they don't discuss they merely report.

And today's world we have access to more information tYouo source the quote, etc. than we ever had...and still somehow some folks think we aren't able to find the truth.

You can't even give an example of what you are talking about....that's how obscure your accusations are.

When presenting an argument it is normal to cite specific examples and provide links.

Making a grand statement that the media always takes what Trump says out of context is FAKE news.
Really?? I cited a few very clear examples in the link I provided in the very first post of this thread. The problem is that those that hate Trump simply ignore stories or counter arguments that challenge their beliefs. The link shows at least a couple of examples of the mainstream media being blatantly dishonest in their reporting by purposely taking Trump's comments totally out of context or simply refusing to include comments he clearly made that contradict their narrative about his Charlottesville comments.

I and others have provided said evidence you say we haven't included particularly when it comes to his comments/tweets being misrepresented or taken out of context and also regarding the Trump Russia hoax yet they are completely ignored.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Really?? I cited a few very clear examples in the link I provided in the very first post of this thread. The problem is that those that hate Trump simply ignore stories or counter arguments that challenge their beliefs. The link shows at least a couple of examples of the mainstream media being blatantly dishonest in their reporting by purposely taking Trump's comments totally out of context or simply refusing to include comments he clearly made that contradict their narrative about his Charlottesville comments.

I and others have provided said evidence you say we haven't included particularly when it comes to his comments/tweets being misrepresented or taken out of context and also regarding the Trump Russia hoax yet they are completely ignored.
No you provided a link to a claim what the media said.

You did not provide any link that showed a news journalist saying that Trump said 'neo-Nazis are fine people'.

What the criticism of Trump's claims that day was his refusal to condemn Neo-Nazis.

Plain and simple.

Not the same thing as saying Trump said Neo-Nazis are fine people.

I think sometimes the issue is with folks like you filling in a narrative that isn't being given. You are looking for something that isn't there.

You did not give a link to a news story that said Trump said Neo Nazis are fine people
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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Chart showing bias by media source. Not surprised Fox is pulling up the rear

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...art-2018-02-28
Thank you. This chart tells it like it is.

One thing people refuse to get straight is the difference between news and opinion. If Chuck Todd says something with a liberal bias, well guess what? Chuck Todd is not hosting a news program, anymore than Sean Hannity is. When presenting straight news stories, the media outlets tend to fall on the spectrum as outlined in this chart.

The term "fake news" was originally applied to right-wing sources like Breitbart and Gateway Pundit, which fabricate stories out of thin air, which are then believed by many extremists despite no evidence. Case in point - Hillary running a sex operation out of a pizza parlor. Trump has a penchant for appropriating accusations made against him and turning them on others (remember "you're the puppet"?). Fake news is now his favorite slur.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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All TV networks and newspapers should be put out of business. Donald J. Trump - and no one else - should deliver a nightly address to the country telling us what we need to know. It will always be the truth. Why? Because when he says it, it becomes the truth. He is the Word and the Word is Him.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:19 AM
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No you provided a link to a claim what the media said.

You did not provide any link that showed a news journalist saying that Trump said 'neo-Nazis are fine people'.

What the criticism of Trump's claims that day was his refusal to condemn Neo-Nazis.

Plain and simple.

Not the same thing as saying Trump said Neo-Nazis are fine people.

I think sometimes the issue is with folks like you filling in a narrative that isn't being given. You are looking for something that isn't there.

You did not give a look to a news story that said Trump said Neo Nazis are fine people
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You're playing word games. The link provided is littered with journalists and political commentators whether from print media or television media making comments pushing a clear narrative that Trump refused to condemn white supremacists. The same story listed actual quotes from the actual transcript of Trump's comments in response to Charlottesville showing he clearly and specifically condemned neo-nazis, the KKK, and other white supremacist groups as quote "thugs" and "criminals".

The point of my OP is that if anti-Trumpers in the media and the public in general are not only going to ignore ACTUAL QUOTES condemning these white supremacist groups FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF but also continue to push an over a year old false narrative despite documented evidence that directly contradicts that narrative then Trump and his supporters are well within their right to call reporters and journalists and the media outlets that keep pushing such false narratives fake news.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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You're playing word games. The link provided is littered with journalists and political commentators whether from print media or television media making comments pushing a clear narrative that Trump refused to condemn white supremacists. The same story listed actual quotes from the actual transcript of Trump's comments in response to Charlottesville showing he clearly and specifically condemned neo-nazis, the KKK, and other white supremacist groups as quote "thugs" and "criminals".

The point of my OP is that if anti-Trumpers in the media and the public in general are not only going to ignore ACTUAL QUOTES condemning these white supremacist groups FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF but also continue to push an over a year old false narrative despite documented evidence that directly contradicts that narrative then Trump and his supporters are well within their right to call reporters and journalists and the media outlets that keep pushing such false narratives fake news.
So on that day Trump did not condemn white supremacist.

Later on when the realized the criticism that his comments did not condemn the white supremacist he may have made a 'I condemn whtie supremacist" .......

But at the time the media reported the story -- he didn't - -he wouldn't.

The article you posted is an op ed piece.

And yes - Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow still are critical of Trump -- but they aren't news journalists.

and talk about fake news. The critics of Trump's attack on Cunningham was not about him 'telling the truth' about Baltimore...that's the fake news spin that is now being spun to divert from his perceived racist statements of 'go back'.

That's why the media -- not the news journalists -- fight back and spend time going after him.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Washington Post Says Trump's Favorite Food (Hamburger) Has A "Russia Connection"





They are nutcases. I don't blame you for not paying for their bull****.
This is funny. Are you supposed to be giving us an example of how people misrepresent what the media says?

Because when pressed, you didn't provide a link to the WaPo story (which you probably never read) but instead you gave a link to the right-wing source Zero Hedge that LIED about what was in the WaPo story. Read the story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.03502efd681d

and you will find no where that they say liking hamburgers is a sign that you are a Russian agent. It is actually just an entertaining story about how the Soviets tried to copy American ingenuity in mass production of cars and apply it to food instead. So ask yourself why Zero Hedge felt it had to LIE about what was in the WaPo story? Better yet, ask yourself why you believed what they said without checking it yourself.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:26 AM
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Thank you. This chart tells it like it is.

One thing people refuse to get straight is the difference between news and opinion. If Chuck Todd says something with a liberal bias, well guess what? Chuck Todd is not hosting a news program, anymore than Sean Hannity is. When presenting straight news stories, the media outlets tend to fall on the spectrum as outlined in this chart.

The term "fake news" was originally applied to right-wing sources like Breitbart and Gateway Pundit, which fabricate stories out of thin air, which are then believed by many extremists despite no evidence. Case in point - Hillary running a sex operation out of a pizza parlor. Trump has a penchant for appropriating accusations made against him and turning them on others (remember "you're the puppet"?). Fake news is now his favorite slur.

You're honestly try to argue with a straight face that CNN's news reporting qualifies as "neutral" cross the board? If that's the case we may as well put Sean Hannity's show in the neutral category as well. Make about as much sense as CNN being there.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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And yes - Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow still are critical of Trump -- but they aren't news journalists.

they and many others are just dumb talking heads of the propaganda arm of the DNC. more like activists than journalists...go ahead and throw in April Ryan and Jim Acosta in that bunch as they provide no value for a lot of America...but they provide plenty of hate. Probably just as the DNC wants as a divisive tactic.
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