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Old 07-31-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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Man captured on camera stabbing a priest in Montreal - found not guilty.

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Man charged with stabbing of Montreal priest found not responsible

A man charged with stabbing a Catholic priest during a mass that was being streamed online from Montreal’s St. Joseph’s Oratory in March has been found not criminally responsible.

The ruling in the case of Vlad Cristian Eremia came down Wednesday at the Montreal courthouse, according to a spokeswoman for the Crown.

The 27-year-old Eremia will remain housed at a Montreal psychiatric hospital until authorities deem he can be released.

He’d been charged with attempted murder and assault with a weapon stemming from the March 22 attack on Rev. Claude Grou.


I won't post the YouTube link for that kind of activity.

The priest forgave the suspect.

Forgiveness is one thing.

Punishment for criminal intent is another.

Both should have taken place.

They couldn't convict this guy even though there is video evidence... smh...
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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The 27-year-old Eremia will remain housed at a Montreal psychiatric hospital until authorities deem he can be released.



They couldn't convict this guy even though there is video evidence... smh...
He was found to be legally insane, it's a pretty established legal outcome. Unless you have evidence to the contrary or are simply against insanity findings there really isn't much to see here.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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one more reason why i firmly believe we should change the law to include a "guilty by reason of insanity".




crazy doesn't mean you didn't do it. crazy doesn't mean you wont do it again.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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He was found to be legally insane, it's a pretty established legal outcome. Unless you have evidence to the contrary or are simply against insanity findings there really isn't much to see here.
I think mental illnesses would drop significantly if we just dealt with what they did just like every other human being. I could take exception for those with pre-existing issues that could be documented and verified by doctors.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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That headline is a flat-out lie. Shame on you.
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Old 07-31-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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one more reason why i firmly believe we should change the law to include a "guilty by reason of insanity".




crazy doesn't mean you didn't do it. crazy doesn't mean you wont do it again.
Great idea! Doing away with the requirement for a guilty mind only upends, what - a thousand years or so of established Western practice?
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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Great idea! Doing away with the requirement for a guilty mind only upends, what - a thousand years or so of established Western practice?
maybe. I'm not sure. I do know there are cases where I fully agree that an individual should be found not guilty by reason of insanity. However, there are other instances where a guilty by the same reason should apply.




I am not suggesting we put a person to death for a crime committed while suffering from a verifiable mental illness. Certainly not. But there are cases were guilty is the better operative. There are some instances where we need the ability to keep a person locked up beyond the time it takes to get them mentally stable.




this isn't about retribution. its actually a deeply complicated issue.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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That headline is a flat-out lie. Shame on you.
What?

If you are parsing words between not guilty and criminal intent... I'm OK with how a characterized it. This was a criminal act.
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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You literally linked the reason in your post.
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Old 07-31-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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If you are parsing words between not guilty and criminal intent...
That's not parsing words, it's a cornerstone of the legal definition of guilt that there is a guilty mind behind the crime. (With the exception of strict liability crimes, bu that's not what we're talking about here.)

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