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Old 07-31-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Perhaps. But let's not forget what happened to JFK, in part, due to lax security,which were a thing of that era, too.
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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Perhaps. But let's not forget what happened to JFK, in part, due to lax security,which were a thing of that era, too.
If I remember correctly, didn't Harry Truman nearly got assassinated not to far from the white house just going for a stroll?
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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And it is doubtful that he could have ran on the democrat ticket today. Look at the line up running now....

I can imagine them calling him out for his speech "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." He would have been tabled a racist, an elitist (which he actually was) and more.

Look how they argued in the last debate. It was like watching a contest to see who could offer the most free stuff.
That's only the radical far left who want to give free stuff away. JFK was smarter than that. One of his main platforms was to help black people, but it wasn't by giving stuff away. He inspired people to be the best they could be. He got people to volunteer to make this a better country, to build a better world. Too many of today's people are so selfish that all they think about is getting more money.

And, no, JFK was not an elitist. He didn't have that mindset. He was brought up with money and privilege but he was taught that everyone is equal and if some have received a lot extra, it is their responsibility to help the less fortunate.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Huh? Haven't you heard of Jim Crow?
Racial segregation was more precedent, but blacks had their own community and culture and controlled more of their capital.

Now black neighborhoods are diversified, banks, landlords, and state policy has greater control over their housing and jobs.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Really?

I think that depends on your perspective.

Were women more free back in the day?
I'm sure there are folks that would argue they weren't as free.

Wasn't JFK a drug addict with a wandering eye/hand/.....never mind...lol.

I think as time passes we gloss over the reality of life.

And I think our ancestry impacts our view on 'freedom' and life in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc.....

It could be argued life was simpler, but was it better?....hmmmmm
Better is subjective and we could argue for weeks what better is and what it entails.

But human history, except for a few occasions, has followed along a path of greater regulation, control, and structure.

Roman Gaul and tribal Gaul were different but when discussing 'freedom' the answer is obvious.

As society is urbanized and technology is developed, humans are controlled in greater capacity by economic forces (credit, land ownership, job agreement, security, etc.) as well as by state policy to promote economic growth.

The 1950s was a less regulated society with less top down control. Women and Blacks may have faced more prosecution but as individuals and in communities life has become more structured.

If you think women were regulated when they stayed home or were friends with neighbors, their lives are more regulated working in the global job market. For better or for worse.

And gender discrimination developed as society grew. 16th century England has greater female rights than 19th century England for example.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:53 PM
 
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If I remember correctly, didn't Harry Truman nearly got assassinated not to far from the white house just going for a stroll?
I believe you're correct! Different times, yes, but not all for the better. There were still a lot of bad people out there, and, unfortunately, several politicians paid for it (or nearly paid for it) with their lives.
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:15 PM
 
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Racial segregation was more precedent, but blacks had their own community and culture and controlled more of their capital.

Now black neighborhoods are diversified, banks, landlords, and state policy has greater control over their housing and jobs.
Uh, your premise of "Blacks having more freedom" sounds pretty out there, given that the Black poverty rate was a lot higher then (around 50%) than it is now. Plus much fewer employment, professional opportunities back then compared to now.

But don't take it from me. Have you ever talked to a Black person of your assertion? Perhaps folks like residinghere2007, desertdetroiter, Ralph_Kirk, green_mariner, to name a few?
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:31 PM
 
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That's only the radical far left who want to give free stuff away. JFK was smarter than that. One of his main platforms was to help black people, but it wasn't by giving stuff away. He inspired people to be the best they could be. He got people to volunteer to make this a better country, to build a better world. Too many of today's people are so selfish that all they think about is getting more money.

And, no, JFK was not an elitist. He didn't have that mindset. He was brought up with money and privilege but he was taught that everyone is equal and if some have received a lot extra, it is their responsibility to help the less fortunate.
You give JFL waaay too much credit here.

You think there was any real support nationally to give black people "free stuff" that white people were entitled to?

JFK didn't have any political capital to give black people "free stuff". In fact, few polilticians of any stripe would do so - heck, even the New Deal programs excluded black people from a lot of benefits like Social Security (excluding domestic helpers and farm laborers, two classifications where a lot of black people were employed). Black veterans were often blocked or excluded from GI Bill benefits and FHA home loans that they should have been qualified or entitled to.

LBJ was the one who really pushed through the Great Society programs, which benefited black people to an extent more than before, but it wasn't sold that way. White Appalachians in poverty were often showcased as the recipiants. Otherwise it probably wouldn't have been passed.

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Old Yesterday, 07:45 AM
 
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Uh, your premise of "Blacks having more freedom" sounds pretty out there, given that the Black poverty rate was a lot higher then (around 50%) than it is now. Plus much fewer employment, professional opportunities back then compared to now.

But don't take it from me. Have you ever talked to a Black person of your assertion? Perhaps folks like residinghere2007, desertdetroiter, Ralph_Kirk, green_mariner, to name a few?
Freedom doesn't mean better, it just means more personal control and less regulation.


Black communities were segregated be in of themselves didn't face the same economic structures that control our lives today:
https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/896412.html


edit: Another example could be Iran in the 70s. At the time Iran's government was far more authoritarian and oppressive than the US' government, but people on the streets faced less regulation on how to live their lives day to day. China in some ways, especially in less developed cities and rural areas, is also an example of this.

The fact is as society develops freedoms are curbed for better or for worse.
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Anyone who feels nostalgic about that photo wants us to return to the racism and oppression of women that was rampant in that time.
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