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Old 07-31-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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How was it stolen?
Lots of information out there.
https://aeon.co/essays/how-were-1-5-...rapidly-stolen
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...american2.html
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Old 07-31-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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We should close all borders, deport all illegals and then distribute all public land equally among those of us who are left.

Public land is public theft.
Unless one is Native American, we're all immigrants. I'm sure they wished they could have had the power to close the borders when the white men came.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Modern Europeans mostly do not descent from the original Neolithic European inhabitants. Most Europeans today only have 10-20% admixture with the original inhabitants of Europe.
True, but still descendent of a combination of all the peoples that have passed through in the last 250,000 years.
While modern European people only have less than 5% Neanderthal DNA, it's still there making modern descendent of those people that were the result of cross breeding with homo sapiens.
There is now evidence of such interactions between homo sapiens and up to 5 extinct human species including Denisovans, and 3 as of yet unidentified species.

Recently bones of a child about 15000 years old were found near Livingston Montana. DNA tests show the child's ancestors came from what is now the Rhur valley in Germany.

So that alone makes a case that Europeans have as much claim on North America as anyone.

The horse was originally an American animal, but migrated to Asia as did the camel. In North America the horse died out, but thrived in Asia and Europe and was reintroduced by spanish explorers in the 15th and 16th centuries.

Using the op's logic of returning land to later arrivals, does that mean because the Red Paint and Clovis people were replaced by the paleo-Indian Folsom people mean we should also remove horses from America because they left too?

The argument to "return" land to the Indians is faulty since the Indians took it from ancient peoples from Europe.

That is similar to saying that the Huns, another Asiatic Tribe that conquered parts of Europe and settled in present day Hungary should return their land to descendants of the Gothic Tribes that lived there.

History has been written. We can't go back and change it.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Unless one is Native American, we're all immigrants. I'm sure they wished they could have had the power to close the borders when the white men came.
The paleo-Indians were illegal aliens too. They took the land from the Clovis people that were already here.

No human species specifically evolved here, so there are no true "native Americans" in the context you're using.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Here
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The paleo-Indians were illegal aliens too. They took the land from the Clovis people that were already here.

No human species specifically evolved here, so there are no true "native Americans" in the context you're using.
Stop confusing the people with facts. It might make them actually think before they post these asinine threads.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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True, but still descendent of a combination of all the peoples that have passed through in the last 250,000 years.
While modern European people only have less than 5% Neanderthal DNA, it's still there making modern descendent of those people that were the result of cross breeding with homo sapiens.
There is now evidence of such interactions between homo sapiens and up to 5 extinct human species including Denisovans, and 3 as of yet unidentified species.

Recently bones of a child about 15000 years old were found near Livingston Montana. DNA tests show the child's ancestors came from what is now the Rhur valley in Germany.

So that alone makes a case that Europeans have as much claim on North America as anyone.

The horse was originally an American animal, but migrated to Asia as did the camel. In North America the horse died out, but thrived in Asia and Europe and was reintroduced by spanish explorers in the 15th and 16th centuries.

Using the op's logic of returning land to later arrivals, does that mean because the Red Paint and Clovis people were replaced by the paleo-Indian Folsom people mean we should also remove horses from America because they left too?

The argument to "return" land to the Indians is faulty since the Indians took it from ancient peoples from Europe.

That is similar to saying that the Huns, another Asiatic Tribe that conquered parts of Europe and settled in present day Hungary should return their land to descendants of the Gothic Tribes that lived there.

History has been written. We can't go back and change it.
A definite Theme is emerging from the Leftists ...... they are determined to "change" History, going back to our Founding as a Nation. We see it somewhere in the USA daily now. Remove this, Remove that, give back this, give away that, pay these people, pay those people ......

Bottom Line for them is that the United States of America is a failed Nation and it must be "changed".
Americans need to pay attention to this crusade they are on to "transform" America and "change" History.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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Most land was stolen by one group or another.
All land was stolen in North America.
You are a resident of Florida, you do realize all of the state of Florida is "stolen" land, right? The current people who govern and vote in Florida are not the first human inhabitants. Come back to me when you give back your own house to the Pensacola peoples.
No land was stolen that wasn't owned in the first place or was lost via war.
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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The paleo-Indians were illegal aliens too. They took the land from the Clovis people that were already here.

No human species specifically evolved here, so there are no true "native Americans" in the context you're using.
Exactly, and no one is an immigrant that was born here, for God's sake!
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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We took the land because we're stronger. Why should we give it back? This is how nature works. Tough luck Amerindians, you lose the trial of natural selection.
Because most of it is sitting there unused and near existing Reservations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public...d.agencies.svg
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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If it is stolen, they need to file a police report.
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