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Old 08-01-2019, 06:20 AM
 
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Typical of who? I'm a libertarian. I stand for freedom.
Post was not directed at you...
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:32 AM
 
Location: NJ
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You don't think it's right to give back land that was stolen? I'm not for reparations at all. To any group.

Land, different story.
I wasn't 'stolen'.


Like every country around the globe, land acquisition was won in conflict. that is the way the world works.


There are no native americans unless you include everyone who born here, then everyone is a native American.


the first people came from someplace else, other than America as we now define it.


The US government did embarrass themselves in how Indian tribes were treated, disgusting behavior! Bad, because the inhumane behavior was institutionalized vs just a popular and scattered position.
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I'm a libertarian, not a lefty. I stand for liberty and freedom.
Yet you don't want this land to be privatized, but instead be transferred to some other jurisdiction for no apparent reason with no contractual claim and dubious historical claim.
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Old 08-01-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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Land that was conquered... No.

But Indians where moved to large reservations after signing deals.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

For land, gold, water, timber, copper... etc etc.. they broke their deals time and time again!


So, all the Land that the US Government agreed to give them, then BROKE THEIR OWN DEAL.. that land should be given back.

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Old 08-01-2019, 08:20 AM
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Land that was conquered... No.

But Indians where moved to large reservations after signing deals.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

Then the US government, went back on their deals, breaking them, and moved the Indian tribes to smaller reservations.

For land, gold, water, timber, copper... etc etc.. they broke their deals time and time again!


So, all the Land that the US Government agreed to give them, then BROKE THEIR OWN DEAL.. that land should be given back.

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I wish we could go back to the 1500 and 1600's and do a lot of things different. But we have to live with what has been done. What the focus should be on is problems with the native American community and what can be done for them today. How can we undo some of the wrongs done to them? Maybe we can't hand over huge tracts of land and would that even help them?

This culture is not for everyone and they have never seemed to have done well with it. Am I proud of that as a European-American? Hell no, I'm ashamed of how they've been treated. But we have to deal in the now and reality.

They can't go back to being a village living off the Buffalo. Do we agree on that?
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Definition of immigrant

: one that immigrates: such as
a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

Speak for yourself. I am the 13th generation born here in the new world since my ancestors arrived. Therefore, I am not an immigrant.
All humans started in Africa. We're all immigrants.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Single celled organisms were here before any of the liberals or other land based creatures. The liberals need to stop with their micro aggressions and return the land to them. I support single celled rights.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Single celled organisms were here before any of the liberals or other land based creatures. The liberals need to stop with their micro aggressions and return the land to them. I support single celled rights.
Too bad I'm not a "liberal" as you all like to label folks.

Return the BLM land.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: USA
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The Indians were a Stone Age, violent, warring culture that enslaved and murdered each other. They were replaced, and then largely assimilated into a technologically more advanced culture. It has happened all over the world at various times.

There is no going back.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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Another front in the War Against the Past.

Quite frankly, I don't think lack of land or space is what ails Native Americans. A love of inane ideas seems to ail others though.
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