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Old 08-01-2019, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Then those farmers should stop screaming about socialism. These farmers are complaining about socialism while lapping it up themselves. If they want to elect someone like Trump and then complain he took their markets, why are we supposed to give them aid/welfare?
Government subsidies are not socialism.

That being said they should stop complaining about handouts.

They all require government subsidies on low season, and they specialize their crop field to benefit from corporate supply chains.

Their greed will be their downfall.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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Then those farmers should stop screaming about socialism. These farmers are complaining about socialism while lapping it up themselves. If they want to elect someone like Trump and then complain he took their markets, why are we supposed to give them aid/welfare?
How many farms can go bankrupt, without us loosing a meal? Maybe we give them aid, so as we don't find out, or not ...

Farmers ride the gravy train as Trump boosts welfare to the Heartland

"Memo to all you ďsmall governmentĒ conservatives in the farm states: Send back your latest federal subsidy checks."
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I think I can figure out how to plant a bean ...


But it's like what I've always said, people complain about government handouts, until the day they need one.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So the farmers don't want a bailout?
They would prefer free markets.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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The last hope for the dairy industry was the Chinese market. Trump destroyed that; it will take years rebuild the trade relationships that have been severed under this presidency.
Please. Put someone besides Trump in the Whitehouse and it would take 5 minutes to ink deals selling us out to the Chinese just like both sides have been doing for decades.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They would prefer free markets.
Not really. They are already highly subsidized on low season.

The reason they are reliant on China is because corporate markets have made them specialize on one crop to benefit from the structured trans-national trading system which corporations profit off of.

If they had diversified crops and were self-sufficient, they could sell to multiple buyers. Now they dependent on one part of the global supply chain since corporations demand efficiency. And they do it for money.

Money they don't need, they can take the hit but they have become greedy dropping 700 thousand on the newest tractor burying themselves in debt.

They could go back to the way yeoman farmers in America once were, but now their greed has blinded them. Chemical companies and large food companies have gotten farmers to specialize and trade exclusively with a few wholesale buyers.

Diversification equates to less costs and more self-efficiency, but they're too greedy to do it.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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I doubt if any of us on this board really know much about these markets..myself included.
But the farmer quoted grows sunflowers and winter wheat. Here are historical prices of sunflower oil.


Jan 2010 $968 per metric ton
Jan 2011 $1498 per metric ton
Jan 2012 $1210 per metric ton
Jan 2013 $1270 per metric ton
Jan 2014 $920 per metric ton
Jan 2015 $ 870 per metric ton
Jan 2016 $885 per metric ton
Jan 2017 $873 per metric ton
Jan 2018 $806 per metric ton
Current $725 per metric ton

It seems to me there is much more at work here than Trump's trade war. Unless it started in 2011.

Here is a link to a graph for winter wheat prices.
https://www.indexmundi.com/commoditi...eat&months=120
It has dropped dramatically since 2012. And had raised dramatically from 2009 to 2012
high in 2012 was $342 per metric ton was 167 per metric ton when Trump became president current is 222 per metric ton.
Sunflower oil is under pressure due to competition with other oils and international markets. I had a large scale farmer tell me that when you are going out of business you plant (this evil weed he called it) sunflowers. He said they destroy soil. Why Soybean farmers had to take the hit for intellectual property rights is wrong.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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Farm Groups Sound Alarm Over Trumpís China Trade War Escalation

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...war-escalation

Major American farm groups sounded an alarm Monday after China halted U.S. agriculture imports, signaling a key Republican political constituency is losing patience with President Donald Trumpís escalating trade war.

Zippy Duvall, president of the the American Farm Bureau Federation, the nationís largest and most influential general farm organization, called Chinaís import cut-off ďa body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by.Ē
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Not really. They are already highly subsidized on low season.

The reason they are reliant on China is because corporate markets have made them specialize on one crop to benefit from the structured trans-national trading system which corporations profit off of.

If they had diversified crops and were self-sufficient, they could sell to multiple buyers. Now they dependent on one part of the global supply chain since corporations demand efficiency. And they do it for money.

Money they don't need, they can take the hit but they have become greedy dropping 700 thousand on the newest tractor burying themselves in debt.

They could go back to the way yeoman farmers in America once were, but now their greed has blinded them. Chemical companies and large food companies have gotten farmers to specialize and trade exclusively with a few wholesale buyers.

Diversification equates to less costs and more self-efficiency, but they're too greedy to do it.
You have no clue. Try reality sometime.
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Farm Groups Sound Alarm Over Trumpís China Trade War Escalation

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...war-escalation

Major American farm groups sounded an alarm Monday after China halted U.S. agriculture imports, signaling a key Republican political constituency is losing patience with President Donald Trumpís escalating trade war.

Zippy Duvall, president of the the American Farm Bureau Federation, the nationís largest and most influential general farm organization, called Chinaís import cut-off ďa body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by.Ē
That's an article about nothing.
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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They would prefer free markets.
But they'll take the bailouts, right? Or will they stand strong and hang in there until it all turns around being that these tariffs will be good for the country? Where's their patriotism?
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