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Old 08-01-2019, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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Incomes for farmers were stagnant for 30 years. Dairy farmers were lucky if they could break even, let alone pay off any of their immense debt obligations. It was obvious to them that doing the same thing and expecting different results was foolish, so they choose to fight with Trump. Most of them new there would be short term pain before there would be any long term gain.

It's rather distasteful how leftards that don't produce squat are so quick to add insult to injury when it comes to the farmer's situation, but that's leftists for ya. Everything is political fodder when you have nothing of substance to say, no real world policies that are workable, no real solutions to offer for anything. Only more lies and distortions and tearing down hard working, productive American citizens. Remember when democrats stood up for hard working American citizens? Me neither. What a disgrace.
Yes. It’s the Dems fault Trump tweeted about tariffs for weeks and then followed through on them.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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450 farms have closed so far this year in Wisconsin. So the tariffs have had some effect. Thankfully a lot of the farmers around here in the Driftless Area see through Trumps/Republican lies and vote blue.

https://projects.jsonline.com/news/2...-loss-map.html
Farm closings just started?
From a Blooomberg article

A Productivity Revolution Is Wiping Out (Most) Dairy Farms

Dairies are closing partly because of changing consumer tastes and trade tensions, but mainly because the industry is continuing a century-long consolidation.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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450 farms have closed so far this year in Wisconsin. So the tariffs have had some effect. Thankfully a lot of the farmers around here in the Driftless Area see through Trumps/Republican lies and vote blue.

https://projects.jsonline.com/news/2...-loss-map.html


Really?


Is that more than average, because where my farm is at, it is still very difficult to pick up any land. I do not see the disaster that the dems are painting.


Again- liberal solution? Do nothing and let the Chinese destroy the economy. That is just brilliant.


Everyone gets a bloody nose in a trade fight. However, the fight is worth it, as continuing on the current trajectory would be disasterous. We are in a position of strength now and it is best to deal with it NOW. Bush and Obama failed us- now it is time to address the situation.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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Fake newzzzz. Lmao
I felt you comment. Show us how it is fake. Are you a russian?
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:47 AM
 
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Really?


Is that more than average, because where my farm is at, it is still very difficult to pick up any land. I do not see the disaster that the dems are painting.


Again- liberal solution? Do nothing and let the Chinese destroy the economy. That is just brilliant.


Everyone gets a bloody nose in a trade fight. However, the fight is worth it, as continuing on the current trajectory would be disasterous. We are in a position of strength now and it is best to deal with it NOW. Bush and Obama failed us- now it is time to address the situation.
Funny how other developed countries are doing just fine and even export more to China than they import.

Are you sure you are not distracted by the people who really hold power over the American economy?

Remember, its very common for the super rich to distract attention when inequality gets out of control and too many people live in despair and want answers. And foreigners and immigrants are usually the scapegoat they prefer.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Remember when the Republican Party claimed to be against socialism, big government protectionism, and bailouts?
Rand Paul was very right when he said that when GOP is in power, the US does not have a conservative party.

The GOP is talk conservative only when they are in minority, and cannot implement anything they talk about, but as soon as they are in position to implement their ideas, the conservative ideas go out the window and they behave just like the Dems.

High hypocrisy.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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And the liberal solution?


Let China continue unfair trade practices, dumping steel and aluminum, manipulating their currency, stealing technology and establishing barriers to trade in their markets.


In other words- roll over and die.


China is a monster created by Clinton and ignored by Bush and Obama. Somebody had to do something. It would have been far easier if Bush and Obama had dealt with the problem, but they ignored it.


Now it takes an adult to finally face the problem. Liberals, of course, oppose it.
B.S. outsourcing has been going on long before Bush, Obama ever took office.
Trump’s ignoring the problem too. In fact he’s made it worse. Now we’re throwing money at them and our debt under Trump is skyrocketing.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Really?


Is that more than average, because where my farm is at, it is still very difficult to pick up any land. I do not see the disaster that the dems are painting.


Again- liberal solution? Do nothing and let the Chinese destroy the economy. That is just brilliant.


Everyone gets a bloody nose in a trade fight. However, the fight is worth it, as continuing on the current trajectory would be disasterous. We are in a position of strength now and it is best to deal with it NOW. Bush and Obama failed us- now it is time to address the situation.



Whenever you wonder how Trump keeps his base, reread the above portion of this post. Some of his followers are in it for the long haul and refuse to think any other way. Not saying they are wrong or right, but it just sheds some light on their mindset.

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Old 08-01-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Funny how other developed countries are doing just fine and even export more to China than they import.

Are you sure you are not distracted by the people who really hold power over the American economy?

Remember, its very common for the super rich to distract attention when inequality gets out of control and too many people live in despair and want answers. And foreigners and immigrants are usually the scapegoat they prefer.
Can you provide details about how other developed countries are doing just fine.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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That is the surprising part. They put their money on a horse they thought would make their lives better, and he turned out to be an ass, not a horse. And yet, some of them still haven't woken up to the fact they were lied to.

More than him just lying to them, part of the problem is that Trump has a very simplistic view of how world economics work and interact. In his inexperienced, uneducated mind, Trump thinks " We will put tariffs on everyone and that will force them to start paying us more for our goods and services, and make them negotiate with us for better deals." He forgets that we are just another country in a whole big world of countries, and many of them can find other sources for their stuff, we do not have a monopoly to hold over their heads.

I just hope the next person who comes into this office is able to turn around some of the real damage he has caused. I would not want to be the person to have to take on that task.
The bulk of the aid goes to the wealthy as usual.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1UP28K

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“The bigger the farm, the bigger the government check,” it said. A USDA spokeswoman said aid payments were made based on a producer’s individual production. “The more acres they farm and bushels per acre they produce - the more assistance they receive,” she said in emailed comments.
I truly don't understand how farmers can think he is trying to help them. They are voting against their own best interests with him.
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