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Old 08-01-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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Better not let Trump know. He'll wreck that market too if he realizes they are doing well.

Meanwhile, sunflowers are a small market compared to the huge grain industry Trump has destroyed. This little market won't come close to offsetting the huge losses that American farmers are experiencing.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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Incomes for farmers were stagnant for 30 years. Dairy farmers were lucky if they could break even, let alone pay off any of their immense debt obligations. It was obvious to them that doing the same thing and expecting different results was foolish, so they choose to fight with Trump. Most of them new there would be short term pain before there would be any long term gain.

It's rather distasteful how leftards that don't produce squat are so quick to add insult to injury when it comes to the farmer's situation, but that's leftists for ya. Everything is political fodder when you have nothing of substance to say, no real world policies that are workable, no real solutions to offer for anything. Only more lies and distortions and tearing down hard working, productive American citizens. Remember when democrats stood up for hard working American citizens? Me neither. What a disgrace.
Rural America’s Trump vote was decades in the making. Democrats’ farm policies—starting with the New Deal—are partly to blame

"From the 1890s to the 1930s, rural Americans played a vital role in radical leftist politics.
<snip>
Over the decades, some of these people chose to leave rural America, but more of them were driven out due to policy—agricultural policy, in particular. Republicans and Democrats alike have supported laws that favor corporate agriculture, which continues to drive small farmers out of business and depopulate the countryside. While specialists know this history well, the public tends to know a folk history, written by figures associated with contemporary food movements."


My father (ND farmers) believed in a strong farm bill and voted straight dem ticket ... so, I see history a bit different, between R & D and farmers.

Who Supported the Farm Bill?
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Shocking news that more than half the bribe money is going to the top 10%.
Trump is easily manipulated. All they have to do is call him and say he is awesome, and the money is guaranteed.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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It will take time to repair the damage Trump is causing, but one day US farmers will be in a situation where they are no longer dependent on the government (taxpayer) handouts.
1930's ... if we could just turn back time.
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Old 08-01-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Originally Posted by andywire View Post
Incomes for farmers were stagnant for 30 years. Dairy farmers were lucky if they could break even, let alone pay off any of their immense debt obligations. It was obvious to them that doing the same thing and expecting different results was foolish, so they choose to fight with Trump. Most of them new there would be short term pain before there would be any long term gain.

It's rather distasteful how leftards that don't produce squat are so quick to add insult to injury when it comes to the farmer's situation, but that's leftists for ya. Everything is political fodder when you have nothing of substance to say, no real world policies that are workable, no real solutions to offer for anything. Only more lies and distortions and tearing down hard working, productive American citizens. Remember when democrats stood up for hard working American citizens? Me neither. What a disgrace.
The disgrace lies with people who scream socialism and bailouts, yet don't hesitate in the slightest to take handouts when their asses are in a sling. It's Trump's policies that have gotten them in this predicament.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Better not let Trump know. He'll wreck that market too if he realizes they are doing well.

Meanwhile, sunflowers are a small market compared to the huge grain industry Trump has destroyed. This little market won't come close to offsetting the huge losses that American farmers are experiencing.
https://www.uswheat.org/market-and-crop-information/
https://www.indexmundi.com/agricultu...&graph=exports
https://beef2live.com/story-top-10-e...wheat-0-122620

By these articles it doesnt seem like wheat farmers are suffering HUGE losses. The guy in the article claiming Trump took away all of our markets was a sunflower and wheat farmer. Looks like the sunflower exports are doing great.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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What part is fake?

Trump is indirectly responsible for farmers' deaths, and they still support him--not exactly killing people on 5th Ave, but in the ballpark. Masochists?

"...The markets are so low, we cannot even break even to pay our bills. Farmers are losing their farms every day. The suicide rate among farmers is at an all-time high. --Minnesota farmer Bill Gordon..."

https://reason.com/2019/07/05/trumps...ybean-farmers/
Here was another headline on the site called “Reason”
New York Dad Should Not Face Homicide Charges for Accidentally Killing Twin 1-Year-Olds in a Hot Car
https://reason.com/2019/07/30/juan-r...hot-car-twins/

But sure Trump is responsible for farmer suicides.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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If Trump wouldn’t of stated this trade war we wouldn’t be shelling out money in the first place. Trump and his supporters apparently thought this would somehow be a good plan. Guess again.

Trump ran his mouth not using his brain and here we are.
That's not a response. You were criticizing the allocation structure and then when asked how it should be done independent of whether they should have or the trade war etc. and all you come back with is a rant about Trump.

Basically, you and others here are whining about how large farms are getting more money than small farms as if it's unfair to the small farms but no one can explain why?

Again, not talking about whether there should be a trade war nor a bailout....just talking about the allocation of the bailout money being based upon production which many of you seem to dislike but cannot explain why nor how differently it should be done.

Try to focus this time and not go rambling off-topic.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Do you farm???? Just emptied 1 bin yesterday at the ethonal plant 20,000 bushels of last years corn.......Have to make room for this years crop......
Another government subsidized program. Unlike you these farmers want government to get out of the way.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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https://www.uswheat.org/market-and-crop-information/
https://www.indexmundi.com/agricultu...&graph=exports
https://beef2live.com/story-top-10-e...wheat-0-122620

By these articles it doesnt seem like wheat farmers are suffering HUGE losses. The guy in the article claiming Trump took away all of our markets was a sunflower and wheat farmer. Looks like the sunflower exports are doing great.
Yes, we have established that the relatively small sunflower market is doing well. Wheat, on the other hand, is also feeling the negative impact from the tariff fiasco.

Marci Green is a wheat farmer and the past president of the Washington Association of Wheat Growers.

'Farmers have also been affected by ongoing trade disputes," Green says.[…] “We were selling some wheat to China before the tariffs, and as soon as the tariffs went on, it went to zero.”

https://www.spokanejournal.com/local...alues-tariffs/

They may not be suffering quite as much as the soy beans and corn farmers, so I guess that's a silver lining.
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