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Old 08-02-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Oye. Another liberal comparing our country to Nazi Germany.
No.

You got wrecked by that poster.

Germany was a democratic State. Just like the U.S.

Answer the question. Would you wear the Star Rachel?
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Old 08-02-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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No.

You got wrecked by that poster.

Germany was a democratic State. Just like the U.S.

Answer the question. Would you wear the Star Rachel?
Sorry. I don't play with libertarians and liberals who compare the United States to Hitler's Germany.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:00 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Sorry. I don't play with libertarians and liberals who compare the United States to Hitler's Germany.
Hitler was democratically elected. The Weimar Republic had a Constitution in place from 1919. Men in suits signed it. The people spoke so all those laws were moral and logical.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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Hitler was democratically elected. The Weimar Republic had a Constitution in place from 1919. Men in suits signed it. The people spoke so all those laws were moral and logical.
And since Government is of and for the people, means all those jews must have committed suicide.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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There is no "mass incarceration". There was simply a decision to finally enforce our laws and prosecute criminals. The focus on the "crime bill" of the '90s has resulted in a drastic drop in the murder rate, particularly among blacks. Tens of thousands of black people that would otherwise have been killed, are alive today because of this.
There certainly has been mass incarceration as shown by the numbers. And charts show most are imprisoned due to drug offenses.

In places like Chicago, violent criminals are under-sentenced because there's no place for them to go. In Milwaukee, County prisons are taking the overflow of their state prison due to crowding.

Get the people who were put in prison for drug offenses (unless they were moving a lot of drugs) and start incarcerating real criminals.

And sentencing guidelines should be consistent regardless of race, wealth or status.

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You call 16 ounces of weed a small amount? Man, you must really smoke. I remember one time when my buddies and I pitched in and bought one ounce, we felt like we'd really hit the big time.
I'm anti-drugs, but who were they hurting by selling pot? Most of that stayed in their own community.

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But again, how can someone's life be wrecked for being charged for something that is insignificant? Why would anyone refuse to hire you for breaking a law that everyone agrees is "stupid" to begin with?

And you know as well as I do why black kids would be more likely to be arrested for smoking weed than white kids: because they openly smoke it on city sidewalks. I saw a black kid sitting on a bus one time rolling up a blunt, in front of everyone, in the middle of the day.
What's insignificant if 16 ounces of weed is a big deal to you? 16 oz seems insignificant when violent criminals are undersentenced due to prison crowding....or given the fact that pot is legal in some places now.

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Why not just obey the law? If it's illegal to possess a bag of weed, don't do it. If you choose to do so anyway, you do so knowing it's in violation of the law and you risk being caught.
Go back and read residinghere's post. She and her husband being arrested is not an unusual story in black communities. People aren't always breaking the law when they're arrested. And again, if they cannot afford bail, they can sit in prison for years.

But let's get back to justice. The attitude that people should just follow the law, does nothing to address the different ways people are being sentenced based on race. Do you believe in fairness and justice for all or not?


You folks keep ignoring Frank's posts. There are books on the subject. Read them and wake up. Start with Harvey Silverglate's Three Felonies a Day.

Then read up on former CIA agent John Kiriakou's ordeal and you'll discover how prosecutors work.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Well you have. We live in an age where there are so many laws the govt employees tasked with enforcing them dont know but what a small percentage of them even are.
And by your own "law abiding" claim, would have turned in a runaway slave "because its the law" so shame on you, and thank god for those who are brave enough to practice civil disobedience.
To add to what Frank has posted - there are all kinds of new laws and the wording is so unclear on them that prosecutors are getting to interpret them as they see fit. How is that just?
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:40 AM
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When people say blacks get harsher sentences than whites for the same crimes, are prior offenses factored in to it? A first time offender will get a lighter sentence than a fourth time offender, for instance.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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When people say blacks get harsher sentences than whites for the same crimes, are prior offenses factored in to it? A first time offender will get a lighter sentence than a fourth time offender, for instance.
Great question. Given two first time offenders, the sentencing for white males is far less harsh for black males.

Here's a study done by the United States Sentencing Commission:

https://www.ussc.gov/research/resear...ces-sentencing

I gave the example earlier in the thread where a black man got 5 years for growing pot to help him with his debilitating asthma.

This morning I read that a white man in Michigan was sentenced to 60 weekend days in jail for putting poison in his wife's coffee.

There's your justice.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:55 AM
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No, but great question. Given two first time offenders, the sentencing for white males is far less harsh for black males.

Here's a study done by the United States Sentencing Commission:

https://www.ussc.gov/research/resear...ces-sentencing

I gave the example earlier in the thread where a black man got 5 years for growing pot to help him with his debilitating asthma.

This morning I read that a white man in Michigan was sentenced to 60 weekend days in jail for putting poison in his wife's coffee.

There's your justice.
I'm not reading a 49 page PDF. And without defending either sentence, I don't think your anecdotal examples are similar enough to make a valid comparison.

I'm sure wealth is a factor though. Good lawyers are expensive.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: SGV
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And since Government is of and for the people, means all those jews must have committed suicide.
Apparently.

So it's 1939 Germany and I see Rachel walk out of a deli without her star on. According to her, I have to report her.

It's 1955 Alabama and Rachel spots my dark-skinned self drinking from the wrong water fountain. According to her, she turns me in.

Everything copacetic here. Ain't nothing wrong with this picture. Move along lemmings.
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