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Old 08-01-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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If you look at the charts.. it started under Nixon.. and exploded under Reagan.
There were previous upticks, but it really spiked after Clinton signed the crime bill in 1994.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I'm surprised that someone would need to ask this question. You might recall after WW2 that people had a common experience that created a bond. That might have been living through the depression or serving in the military. Blacks have similar common experiences that Whites have no concept of. The great migration from the south might be one for some people. Segregated schools and public restrooms or lunch counters would be one. Mass incarceration is becoming a common experience for Black males in many communities. The longterm problems with that continue long after someone leaves jail or prison and that, and the associated poverty and disruption, is a negative impact on the entire community.
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: At mah house
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"Mass incarceration" is one of the concepts that liberals peddle to people to make them feel like victims and thus, reliable Democratic voters. It's not really a thing.


It's a difficult conversation to have, but we need to stop telling people of any color that the law is just biased against them, because that doesn't make them more careful, it makes them more reckless. If you figure the law is out to get you, you just get good at not getting caught.


And this nonsense about "non-violent (drug) offenses" is getting old. First of all, if you know anything about criminals, you know that more than likely they built up to the thing they got caught doing. You know how many assaults and murders have happened during robbery attempts or over drug deals? These things are commonly on a spectrum; they're not mutually exclusive.

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One last time. Many people are in prison because they couldn't come up with bail for their release - and are still awaiting a hearing. They have not been found guilty of anything because they haven't been to court yet.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...e-theyre-poor/

In addition to not making bail - there is another segment that never went to trial, but took a plea deal instead because they were told going to trial was only going to mean harsher sentencing. Some of those people are innocent.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/du...ived-trial/cri


The criminal justice system is criminal in itself. Try reading one of the many books on the subject to educate yourself instead of arguing based on ignorance.

You're oversimplifying things here.

If you're arrested and charged with a crime, depending on the nature of the crime, you may be remanded to jail pending trial, released on your own recognizance, or granted bail that you'll have to pay if you want to get out prior to trial. That's just how the system works. More than likely if you're given high bail or no bail it's a serious offense -- likely of the "violent crime" variety -- rather than they caught you with two joints in your pocket.


"Innocent people" taking plea deals because the prosecutor scared them is unfortunate, but...the prosecutor is just doing their job. I think this is moreso a matter of education than the system being biased. Don't talk to the police without an attorney present, and don't plead guilty if you're not guilty.
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Old 08-01-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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Guilty as charged. Those do not land anybody, black or white, in Attica or San Quentin.

Black people commit more violent crimes than whites. A sad fact that folks like you cannot come to terms with. More crimes means more in prison.

As of today, my beloved hometown of DC has seen 98 murders. Not one involved a white person, perp or victim.

Not one.
6percent of the American population is black American male, yet make up 52 percent of the violent crime rate. That is insanely crazy. Something needs to be done. The best way to mitigate such criminal disparities is to reduce poverty rates.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: NYC
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People throw around statistics about X or Y group commits a certain percentage of the crimes so it makes sense to target them, but they donít understand how circular that all is. The statistics are based on arrest statistics and if we are targeting or profiling, then of course the numbers will reflect that. For example, arrests for marijuana or public drinking.

Do we really think there is a racial difference in the numbers of young people participating in that? Or is the focus more on urban street corners versus frat houses? Or bonfires at the quarry? As an urban youth, we hung out in the streets. Rich kids had houses. Guess who got messed up by the cops all the time?

Now these people have records, even for bull**** and petty things (which is easy to happen when youíre being profiled and targeted), that forecloses a lot of options such as federal student loans, and a lot of private and public sector hiring.

If the police are targeting people in a group to which you belong, chances are youíre going to end up with some type of a record. Then they get the stats they want, and everything remains the same.
These cops are rigging statistics based on their own personal racism then using that same information to support their own racist views. Perfect example of institutionalized racism
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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They are arresting people for lots of non-violent drug offenses. They go to jail and it creates a bad cycle.

We put too dang many people in jail.
You're exactly right. You send a low level drug user/dealer to prison and out comes a violent thug. We are exacerbating the problem by warehousing people together, where the most ruthless have the most influence. Save prison for the violent, send non violent offenders off to rebuild infrastructure and learn a trade, get some skillsets, make a contribution to their community.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:26 PM
 
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People throw around statistics about X or Y group commits a certain percentage of the crimes so it makes sense to target them, but they donít understand how circular that all is. The statistics are based on arrest statistics and if we are targeting or profiling, then of course the numbers will reflect that. For example, arrests for marijuana or public drinking.

Do we really think there is a racial difference in the numbers of young people participating in that? Or is the focus more on urban street corners versus frat houses? Or bonfires at the quarry? As an urban youth, we hung out in the streets. Rich kids had houses. Guess who got messed up by the cops all the time?

Now these people have records, even for bull**** and petty things (which is easy to happen when youíre being profiled and targeted), that forecloses a lot of options such as federal student loans, and a lot of private and public sector hiring.

If the police are targeting people in a group to which you belong, chances are youíre going to end up with some type of a record. Then they get the stats they want, and everything remains the same.
These cops are rigging statistics based on their own personal racism then using that same information to support their own racist views. Perfect example of institutionalized racism
I live in the hood with African Americans. I have yet to be arrested by the police. I don't know why African Americans tend to be arrested more than non African Americans. Maybe the cops do target blacks more than other groups. What needs to happen is tsht black American families need to be raised better. Also their are no fathers in black homes. In my area of the South Bronx across the street is the housing projects. You don't see no fathers with kids except only on weekends. Fathers must teach kids how to navigate life and right and wrong with logic. Not having such life skill will take your average back male to prison remember 70 percent of black families have no father in the household. Having no father in the household will lead to a life of trouble.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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You could read one of a hundred books on the subject. Or you could just post here and argue to fill your day.

The choice is yours: knowledge vs waste of time.
Nah, I like to read history books and great works of literature. I'm not going to waste my time reading hundreds of pages of left-wing nonsense.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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They are arresting people for lots of non-violent drug offenses. They go to jail and it creates a bad cycle.

We put too dang many people in jail.
So say you bought a house, it's your biggest investment, you're trying to raise a family there. And the guy who lives next door to you is selling heroin out of his house. You wouldn't want to see him arrested? You wouldn't call the police on him yourself?
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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There are neighborhoods where mostly black people live that have massive crime problems. How does removing the criminals from those neighborhoods harm black people? If anything it helps. I used to live in such a neighborhood and I would have been glad to see any criminal removed from the streets.

That's what "mass incarceration" is?

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