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Old Today, 12:50 PM
 
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That would be absolute disaster.

That's colonialism. Those are all different people in different countries that have nothing do with the United States. Making them part of the U.S erases who they are as a people.

Puerto Rico is a Latin American country that belongs to the United States as a colonial possession. It is NOT part of the U.S. That's a whole different country with a different history unrelated to ours. They're like what the Filipinos were. It's ridiculous to just make them part of the United States. That's wrong. Colonialism is supposed to be a thing of the past.
We can barely control California. Agreed 100%
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they need to be their own country
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Old Today, 12:52 PM
 
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That would be absolute disaster.

That's colonialism. Those are all different people in different countries that have nothing do with the United States. Making them part of the U.S erases who they are as a people.

Puerto Rico is a Latin American country that belongs to the United States as a colonial possession. It is NOT part of the U.S. That's a whole different country with a different history unrelated to ours. They're like what the Filipinos were. It's ridiculous to just make them part of the United States. That's wrong. Colonialism is supposed to be a thing of the past.
Colonialism is their current state. Subject to the federal government but not getting all the benefits. They are not different countries.

They are US citizens. They deserve full representation. Many have served in our military and we operate military bases on some of them.
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Old Today, 12:57 PM
 
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It'd be a nightmare scenario for the Republicans if PR gets to vote in the House, Senate, and the Electoral College. It will not happen because not enough Democrats have the will to fight the Republicans on this.

I question PR's ability to function as an Independent nation. The Republicans have destroyed too many of their industry and a lot of things they have to start over if they have to function without US's funding. Not that the US has been generous.

So, they probably will continue as a colony for the long future.

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The Republican's have destroyed PR Industry? Have you even been to PR? The Corruption there mirrors other Latin American countries, and so does their Loco elections. The last time I was there it was during a local election. The stores were barred up and politco clown cars were roving the streets with loud speakers blaring. The place I was staying at said stay away from town until the elections were over and the locals sobered up. Guaranteed, it has nothing to do with Republicans considering the Democrats and Socialist have a lock on the Island

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Old Today, 01:02 PM
 
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they need to be their own country
With an 84 IQ, which is more than 10 points lower than Mississippi, we really wouldn't benefit from it.
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Old Today, 01:28 PM
 
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Colonialism is their current state.
Permanently making them part of the United States is beyond colonialism. They would no longer be a distinct people after that.


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Subject to the federal government but not getting all the benefits.
The federal government allows them autonomy, gives them billions of dollars of funding for them to go out and do god knows what with, saves the day whenever something goes wrong, and doesn't impose any taxes on their income.

They get most of the benefits and none of the responsibilities.

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They are not different countries.
Yes they are! OMG. Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony for 400 years with their own culture. They are Spanish. They are a completely different people that has nothing to do with the United States.


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Many have served in our military and we operate military bases on some of them.
So? People get PAID to serve in the military. It's like having a regular job.
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Old Today, 01:35 PM
 
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It'd be a nightmare scenario for the Republicans if PR gets to vote in the House, Senate, and the Electoral College. It will not happen because not enough Democrats have the will to fight the Republicans on this.
You are correct on this regarding how PR would vote/represent as a state (left and farther left), but it isnt simply up to democrats "fighting" for it. PR has had multiple referendums on the statehood/independent/status quo commonwealth issue, usually tied to gubernatorial elections, and they always vote for the commonwealth status by an overwhelming majority, every time. They have it good with U.S. tied benefits and protections, no federal tax burdens, and billions in fed tax dollars pushed their way.

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I question PR's ability to function as an Independent nation. The Republicans have destroyed too many of their industry and a lot of things they have to start over if they have to function without US's funding. Not that the US has been generous.
They do indeed have a very poor history of self governance as it is now. I lived there from 2000-2002 and saw it myself. They get billions in fed tax dollars and it is squandered via ineptitude and corruption. It has zero to do with Republicans, derp!

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So, they probably will continue as a colony for the long future.
Yes. It is what they want.
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Old Today, 02:15 PM
 
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That would be absolute disaster.

That's colonialism. Those are all different people in different countries that have nothing do with the United States. Making them part of the U.S erases who they are as a people.

Puerto Rico is a Latin American country that belongs to the United States as a colonial possession. It is NOT part of the U.S. That's a whole different country with a different history unrelated to ours. They're like what the Filipinos were. It's ridiculous to just make them part of the United States. That's wrong. Colonialism is supposed to be a thing of the past.
My guess, and that's all it is, is that statehood would mean something along the lines of Hawaii or Quebec in Canada. You would have a state that never fully fits in and would feature people beating the drums of secession, evidence be damned.

In short, we would be swallowing a country but not digesting it.

Independence.
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Old Today, 02:18 PM
 
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Yes they can. Dominicans do it - and they are not starving. There's no reason Puerto Rico can't be independent.

Their government doesn't have an incentive to be responsible because they know the federal government will always come to foot the bill and clean up the mess. If they were independent, and their well-being depending on having a functioning government/country, they would get it together.

Our colonial relationship has made them lazy AF, not just the government but the general population as well. That would change once independent. If there was no welfare/pulbic housing/food stamps etc, they would get up and do something.
Yes I agree, over 500 years of colonialism (over 100 with the US alone), majority are Puerto Ricans are very lazy, goverment assistence dependent, and have a colonised mindset. Majority of PRs age 30 and up, think staying with the US is the ONLY way for Puerto Rico to be succesful, as if USA is the only wealthy country in the world. Luckily, the protests was mostly done by Puerto Rican youth in their teens and 20s. The youth have a totally different mindset from older PRs, like a "nothing to lose" rebellious independence type mindset.

There are many other countries that are succesful like Europe and many parts of Asia, as well as middle income countries on the road to success like in Asia and Latin America. In fact, I would say theres many countries south of the border richer than Puerto Rico, despite PR being a US territory and the myth that Latino countries are African-type dirt poor. Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, and several Eastern Caribbean countries are all richer than PR, and over half of them are less dangerous than PR too. Singapore, one of the richest countries in the world, is a small ISLAND in a region surrounded by much POORER countries. Ricans just need to get of their a55 and stand on their own like men.
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Old Today, 02:19 PM
 
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Permanently making them part of the United States is beyond colonialism. They would no longer be a distinct people after that.




The federal government allows them autonomy, gives them billions of dollars of funding for them to go out and do god knows what with, saves the day whenever something goes wrong, and doesn't impose any taxes on their income.

They get most of the benefits and none of the responsibilities.



Yes they are! OMG. Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony for 400 years with their own culture. They are Spanish. They are a completely different people that has nothing to do with the United States.




So? People get PAID to serve in the military. It's like having a regular job.
So? You want to revoke their U.S. citizenship? Do we give Florida, Texas, heck everything west of the Mississippi back to Spain/Mexico/France?

Many Puerto Ricans do pay income taxes because they work for the government, military, or have income that originates in the states. But don't get a representative vote. All of them pay FICA taxes but are not eligible for SSI, get less Medicaid, etc. And of course there are plenty of taxes out there beyond just income.

The last referendum there showed 97% support for statehood.
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