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Old Today, 02:41 PM
 
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They are US citizens. As they are in American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and the US Virgin Islands. We should fully incorporate them and end this half measure territory status.

If we want to cut citizens out based on being leeches, say goodbye to Mississippi, Kentucky, West Virginia, etc as well.
If Puerto Rico votes for Independence, but native born Puerto Rican’s retain the option to relocate to the United States instead of becoming citizens of an independent PR, how many people would be left for the new nation?

I would think that individual Puerto Rican’s would have the right to retain citizenship and move to the mainland.
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Old Today, 02:42 PM
 
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They are not worthy of statehood. I mean California isn't worthy anymore but we're stuck with them. This we can stop.
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Many Puerto Ricans do pay income taxes because they work for the government, military, or have income that originates in the states. But don't get a representative vote. All of them pay FICA taxes but are not eligible for SSI, get less Medicaid, etc. And of course there are plenty of taxes out there beyond just income.
Due to fed or other employment, Puerto Ricans have paid about 3.5 billion into the U.S. treasury. Less than 20% of Puerto Ricans do this. The rest of the Puerto Ricans do not pay federal taxes on income tax.

Puerto Rico receives around 85 billion in federal aid and welfare from American tax payers every year.





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The last referendum there showed 97% support for statehood.
That was with a feeble 20% or so voter turnout. The majority of Puerto Ricans express a desire for the status quo arrangement when polled, yet do not bother to vote on it.

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Old Today, 02:43 PM
 
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If Puerto Rico votes for Independence, but native born Puerto Ricanís retain the option to relocate to the United States instead of becoming citizens of an independent PR, how many people would be left for the new nation?

I would think that individual Puerto Ricanís would have that right.
1.5% voted for independence.
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Old Today, 02:44 PM
 
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How about Americans get a vote in the next General Election? Do we accept PR as a state or not? And of course the electoral college has to win, not the popular vote.
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Old Today, 02:45 PM
 
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That was with a feeble 20% or so voter turnout. The majority of Puerto Ricans express a status quo arrangement when polled, yet do not bother to vote on it.
Does low turnout make a referendum or any vote invalid? You don't care enough to vote that's on you.

In a poll 66% of Americans support statehood.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...d-poll-1419203
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Old Today, 02:49 PM
 
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But all of that doesn't matter.

Bottom line is that they are U.S. Citizens. Do you want to revoke citizenship based on some measure of worthiness?
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The point I was trying to make was since Puerto Rican’s are citizens at birth, they will retain the right to relocate to the mainland even if PR is spun off as an independent nation.

We may never admit PR at the 51st State, but either way we are likely to get millions of more Puerto Ricans moving to the mainland.
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Old Today, 02:51 PM
 
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If Puerto Rico votes for Independence, but native born Puerto Ricanís retain the option to relocate to the United States instead of becoming citizens of an independent PR, how many people would be left for the new nation?

I would think that individual Puerto Ricanís would have that right.
The independance wing of the Puerto Rican nationalists is very, very far left. Remember the Marxist FALN terrorists that Clinton pardoned? Their bombings of terror where designed to force the U.S. to give Puerto Rico independance.



The demands and conditions they made of the U.S. in the 2012 referendum for independance where laughable, such as we provide a standing fleet of warships and completely fund their military for 20 years, give all PR residents a living wage for the same 20 years, all non PR citizens from the U.S. must leave within 60 days, abandoning any business assets to the new PR govt, etc........
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Old Today, 02:54 PM
 
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Does low turnout make a referendum or any vote invalid? You don't care enough to vote that's on you.
Yes it does. Congress was not convinced to address it due specifically to the low turnout in 2017 (yet they agreed to fund the next referendum. Yes, U.S, taxpayers pay for that also.)

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