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Old 08-02-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Interesting perspective from a Reagan biographer.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...on-for-racism/

'Shirley recalled the Cold War context of Reagan’s aforementioned remarks, in which African states aligned with the Soviet Union in the UN General Assembly in a vote to expel Taiwan from the organization as per China’s demand. Reagan — as well as the broader “conservative and anti-communist” movement — was “rightly upset” with African states’ positioning with communism.

“When the vote came down to expel Taiwan, it was mayhem on the floor of the General Assembly,” recalled Shirley. “People were dancing on desks, including the ambassador of Tanzania. They were so delighted to evict Taiwan and to admit Red China, so everybody was upset, including, obviously, Ronald Reagan. … A lot of these African nations were run by pro-communist dictators [and] got funding and support from the Soviet Union [and] China. … It was corrupt. It was untoward."

So Reagan's a racist b/c he cared about Taiwan where the people are not white.

In contrast, a popular politician with liberals, Bernie Sanders, gushed over the Soviet Union and even went on his honeymoon there.
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Old 08-02-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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So a question for you. Do you support Joe Biden. He was far worse than Reagan at that time.



And he's since sealed his own senate records so he can't be held to account.
I don't support Joe Biden either. If he ends up winning the Democratic Primary, I'll vote 3rd party once again. WHY DO YOU ASK?
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Old 08-03-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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Interesting perspective from a Reagan biographer.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...on-for-racism/

'Shirley recalled the Cold War context of Reagan’s aforementioned remarks, in which African states aligned with the Soviet Union in the UN General Assembly in a vote to expel Taiwan from the organization as per China’s demand. Reagan — as well as the broader “conservative and anti-communist” movement — was “rightly upset” with African states’ positioning with communism.

“When the vote came down to expel Taiwan, it was mayhem on the floor of the General Assembly,” recalled Shirley. “People were dancing on desks, including the ambassador of Tanzania. They were so delighted to evict Taiwan and to admit Red China, so everybody was upset, including, obviously, Ronald Reagan. … A lot of these African nations were run by pro-communist dictators [and] got funding and support from the Soviet Union [and] China. … It was corrupt. It was untoward."

So Reagan's a racist b/c he cared about Taiwan where the people are not white.

In contrast, a popular politician with liberals, Bernie Sanders, gushed over the Soviet Union and even went on his honeymoon there.
Well, being as Nixon opened up Red China to what we have today...and being as the US was a total ally of China in WWII, which was not too long before that, the situation is more complex than you lay out.....

Did call the Taiwanese the typical slang names when he didn't agree with them? How about the Cubans?

There is a new dynamic starting to emerge about RR...of course, his legacy isn't so great anyway (more criminals, scandals and indictments then any POTUS in modern history...although Trump may beat him).....

It turns out that the "Rise of Epstein" in the alleged Spy Business and many other activities was due to that Maxwell Character, the Mossad (Maxwell worked for them...true) and top people in Reagans WH.

We'll see soon enough. Everything Epstein occurred in 1987 (Epstein met Trump, he got the Wexner Money and many other of his "lucky breaks")....

In any case, Reagan is not highly thought of anyway in history generally. He is on the positive side (above 50% of POTUS), but - for example - is way below Obama or Ike, etc.

So he really doesn't have too much of a rep to lose or gain.
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Old 08-03-2019, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Reagan is one of the most popular ex presidents.

Galllup poll indicated Reagan a majority think Reagan was the greatest president. https://news.gallup.com/poll/146183/...president.aspx

The economy was great during the 1980s. Obama's economy was terrible and his signature legislation Obamacare was not popular.

You and other leftists wouldn't spend so much time beating up on him if he wasn't one of the favorite presidents.

I don't think it is true Reagan hated black people and wanted to oppress black people because he called specific African leaders monkeys. He was talking about people dancing on desks and supporting Soviet anti-freedom countries like USSR and China. Not exactly civilized behavior. People use animal analogies to call other people backward.

Liberals constantly smear Republicans as racist so it is not surpising you infer the monkeys comment is racist.

Obama used the IRS to go after conservative groups like the Tea Party and he used the FBI and Justice Dep to spy on the Trump campaign and smear Trump as colluding with Russia. Those sound like scandals to me.

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Old 08-03-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Apparently the tapes even shook Reagan's daughter, Patti Davis, which is remarkable. She says her own family experience was quite different.

https://time.com/5642040/ronald-reagan-daughter-racism/
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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I’m not a Republican, but I doubt that Reagan was any more overtly racist than most of his era. By the time that Reagan received the Republican Nomination in 1980, the southern conservatives were an important part of the GOP. He went to the Neshoba County Fair in 1980, not far where the bodies of Goodwin, Schwerner and Chaney were discovered in 1964, and declared himself a supporter of States Rights. He did that and made the necessary dog whistles about “Welfare Queens” and “Young Bucks with Food Stanps” not out of personal racism, but for political opportunism because they were at that time a core group that he needed to win.
How is pandering to a rascist group a good thing?
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:01 PM
 
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I suppose race shapes a lot of POTUS candidates. Think about it: If you are a [race] man or woman appealing who has a lot of support from members of your own race, one would think said candidate might learn more towards policies favoring that group!
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Another evil Republican who made a lot more racist comments than Reagan was Lincoln.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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Reagan won 49 states in 1984 and 525 electoral votes. Obviously he had little concern about "race" in his policies because it ranked like 0 on the list of things that people were concerned about. And the things you mentioned were not on the minds of people of that time, obviously. It's an issue now because today's leftists have a meme to push and making out Reagan to be a racist, which he wasn't, is simply part of that.
It wasn't on the mind of a majority white nation then...a nation that was obviously racist still.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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These feeble attempts of moral equivalence are just silly...

The larger more important question is what did these public officials do when they were in office.

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Another evil Republican who made a lot more racist comments than Reagan was Lincoln.
Of course, by the standards of the today or even the 1980's Lincoln's personal views on race were far more racist...the guy lived in the mid-1800's for christ sake. But the bottom line is between the emancipation proclamation and his leadership during the Civil War the original sin of slavery ceased to exist.

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who knows, maybe. but im willing to bet every president we've ever had has made 'racist' comments at some point however LBJ tops them all.
LBJ was no angel in his personal comments made about race. But when he got the levers of power he used his mastery of the legislative process to get historic Civil Rights legislation passed. He showed his "true colors" by what he actually did as President.

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So a question for you. Do you support Joe Biden. He was far worse than Reagan at that time.

And he's since sealed his own senate records so he can't be held to account.
Oh please are you kidding? Just take the issue of support/opposition to So. Africa's Apartheid regime in the 80's. Biden was a strong voice of opposition and correctly attacked the Reagan administration's stance. Beside that during his Senate career he had strong record of supporting civil rights including the renewal/extension of the Voting Rights Act.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/multim...6c7bc1d29.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/19/apartheid-amnesia/

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