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Old 08-01-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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Well, Jim IF your still reading......it is the policy position of the Democrat Party.

Just a few weeks ago....the only thing that kept Oregon from imposing a carbon tax was the Republicans left the state so there was no quorum in the Legislature. After the next election, it might be a different outcome.

I guess NOBODY wants to save the planet.....sort of like "everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die".

Then WHY are we spending so much time talking about climate change as a society??
Because "society" is being played for idiots to make other people money and as a Trojan Horse to destroy the west.

If it was not this hoax, it would have been something else.

AGW is sheer idiocy, as it defies the fossil record, the physics of IR energy and CO2, what we know about atmospheric "saturation" levels for CO2, and events over the past 100 years in which CO2 production was markedly altered, yet temps did not "behave" the way the AGW crowd would predict.

Couple that with purely fraudulent, altered data, and we have a global hoax being perpetrated upon the eco-terrorists and those too dumb to understand basic science.

Einstein said, "There are two things that we know are infinite- human stupidity and the universe- and I am not so sure about the universe."

The AGW cult is proving Einstein right.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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Well...... They tried 55mph for 22 years. It didn't work.

National Maximum Speed Law



Became the most broken law in US history. If there's a Democrat suggesting it now, they are stupid. Biden probably voted for it.
Illegally entering the U.S. is probably number 2. Should we give up on that also?
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Double nickels, baby! Bring it back.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Double nickels, baby! Bring it back.
55 and carbon tax. Two of the stupidest things liberals have dreamt up.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Like to hear people's comments on which you prefer and why. Accept as a given that it is taxes or 55 MPH. This thread is not about the validity of global warming...thanks.
Alight, I'll play according to the OP's rules, thus no comment on the validity of global warming.

Choice 1: $8 per gallon tax

As is well known in economics, the more expensive something becomes, the less of that thing is consumed. Such a massive increase in the cost of driving will undoubtedly result in less driving, which is obviously the intent. But then what? Will options to driving, such as mass transit, be increased? Maybe around the margins, but nowhere near enough to make up for the surge in demand. Many people will find that they can no longer afford to drive to work, and with no other options available, they will lose their jobs. Others will cut out discretionary travel, resulting in job losses in those industries that rely on the motoring public for their livelihood. Trucking companies will raise their rates to carry their cargoes, which of course will be passed on to the consumers. (Granted, some freight will be diverted to railroads and maybe even water-borne transportation, but the overall costs will still go up.) Everyone, and I mean everyone, will take a big hit in their wallet.

Choice 2: 55 mph national speed limit.

Of course, this has already been tried. And it failed. What it did do was cause widespread disrespect for the law, and by extension those who were tasked with enforcing it. A whole cottage industry -- CB radios, radar detectors, etc. -- sprouted up whose purpose was to enable people to evade the law. And a large amount of police resources had to be devoted to speed enforcement instead of more productive activities.

A free people need to decide for themselves what laws they are willing to submit to. Prohibition, and the national speed limit, were examples of laws that did not have broad public support, and thus were flouted -- and eventually repealed.

So, our choices are to either significantly damage our economy, or submit to a deeply unpopular law. Given the OP's stipulation that we must choose one or the other, I'll pick the national speed limit . . . and bide my time until sanity returns and it gets repealed, again.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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55 and carbon tax. Two of the stupidest things liberals have dreamt up.
Back in the good old days, my Datsun B-210 got mileage that would make a Prius driver envious. FWIW, the carbon tax idea was always a conservative approach. It's appeal is that it is market based. When coupled with a refund provision where collected taxes are returned to consumers it does have some intriguing possibilities.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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No its not...it is very serious. British Columbia has a carbon tax of 40 cents a gallon on gasoline and going up.

Did you listen to the debate last night??
BC's carbon tax has been a miserable failure. It's a poor idea to double down on failure. Do you want CO2 emissions to rise like they have up in BC?

Don't believe the hype on BC's carbon tax - Behind the Numbers

https://vancouversun.com/business/energy/latest-figures-show-b-c-s-carbon-emissions-continue-to-increase

So let's say your disco-era speed limit gets passed, and US CO2 emissions drop 30%. What effect will it have? Using IPCC modeling, in the year 2100 the planet will be at most, 0.035 degree C cooler. If on the other hand, we got really ambitious and cut emissions 100%, the difference would be 0.17 degree, but hey at least that's enough for a good thermometer to be able to detect.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:24 PM
 
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Because "society" is being played for idiots to make other people money and as a Trojan Horse to destroy the west.

If it was not this hoax, it would have been something else.

AGW is sheer idiocy, as it defies the fossil record, the physics of IR energy and CO2, what we know about atmospheric "saturation" levels for CO2, and events over the past 100 years in which CO2 production was markedly altered, yet temps did not "behave" the way the AGW crowd would predict.

Couple that with purely fraudulent, altered data, and we have a global hoax being perpetrated upon the eco-terrorists and those too dumb to understand basic science.

Einstein said, "There are two things that we know are infinite- human stupidity and the universe- and I am not so sure about the universe."

The AGW cult is proving Einstein right.
AGW is similar to Einstein. Einstein was mocked for his theory of relativity at the time.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:29 PM
 
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Illegally entering the U.S. is probably number 2. Should we give up on that also?
You question is fallacious.


Driving 55 mph to save the planet has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Democrats can be so wonderfully obtuse.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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AGW is similar to Einstein. Einstein was mocked for his theory of relativity at the time.
Einsteins theories were all later proven by valid scientific method. To this date there has be absolutely zero scientific method applied against ANY of these absurd claims made by Democrats and proven true. In fact most evidence put forth shows exactly the opposite.



Feel free to prove otherwise. <crickets>
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