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Old Yesterday, 07:53 AM
 
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Nope, those restrictions only applied to Isrealites. Other Cultures were open season for chattel slavery.
The mosaic laws also applied only to Israelites, which is what we were talking about.

Yes, slavery around the world was common until 150 years ago.
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Old Yesterday, 07:58 AM
 
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The mosaic laws also applied only to Israelites, which is what we were talking about.

Yes, slavery around the world was common until 150 years ago.
So I guess that means for their non-Israelite chattel slaves, they could just beat them to death with no repercussions. Not sure how that makes it better. Or implies any kind of divine inspiration. At all.

Maybe instead of instructions on how hard you are allowed to beat your human property, maybe god coulda' been like "Hey guys, slavery is bad - don't do that."? IDK just spit balling ideas here...
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Old Yesterday, 08:07 AM
 
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So I guess that means for their non-Israelite chattel slaves, they could just beat them to death with no repercussions. Not sure how that makes it better. Or implies any kind of divine inspiration. At all.

Maybe instead of instructions on how hard you are allowed to beat your human property, maybe god coulda' been like "Hey guys, slavery is bad - don't do that."? IDK just spit balling ideas here...
I thought you were referring to slaves held by non-Jews.

The Talmud slavery laws covered all slaves held by Israelis.
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Old Yesterday, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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What a load of crap.

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

You can beat your slaves in the biblically approved way so long as they don't die within a couple days. Let's not ignore that it also implicitly assumes that people being property is just naturally fine and normal.
We are not OT Jews - so we are not under THAT particular law.

Colossians 4 and Ephesians 6 in NT clearly spell out the principle.
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Old Yesterday, 12:00 PM
 
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Do you say the same thing about evangelicals who use scripture quotes without context to defend their stances too. I don't like Mayor Pete, but he is right for going after the hypocrisy of the right wing evangelicals.

See...as a christian myself I have. He also didn't go after the hypocrisy of right wing evangelicals. He cherry picked and used scripture to benefit him that was out of context.
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Old Today, 11:24 AM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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So I guess that means for their non-Israelite chattel slaves, they could just beat them to death with no repercussions. Not sure how that makes it better. Or implies any kind of divine inspiration. At all.

Maybe instead of instructions on how hard you are allowed to beat your human property, maybe god coulda' been like "Hey guys, slavery is bad - don't do that."? IDK just spit balling ideas here...
Slavery was ubiquitous in antiquity, and the Israelites were no exception. King Solomon (10 century BC) in particular made extensive use of 'corvee' labor to build his temples and monuments. But the Jews were the first in antiquity to conclude that slavery was immoral, which was deduced from 'man is made in the image of God.' If man is in the image of God, then it naturally follows that he cannot be property of another man.

By around 100-200 BC Jewish scholars had established this principle. It took another millennium for it to sink in for Christendom, and then with the re-introduction of slavery by the Portuguese in the 15th century, another 450 years for (hopefully) final demise.
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Old Today, 12:31 PM
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I happened to remember this quote from former presidential candidate Bill Richardson (D, NM):

https://www.youdecidepolitics.com/20...od-loves-iowa/

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“Iowa, for good reason, for constitutional reasons, for reasons related to the Lord, should be the first caucus and primary,” Richardson, New Mexico’s governor, said at the Northwest Iowa Labor Council Picnic. “And I want you to know who was the first candidate to sign a pledge not to campaign anywhere if they got ahead of Iowa. It was Bill Richardson.”
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Old Today, 04:44 PM
 
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Slavery was ubiquitous in antiquity, and the Israelites were no exception. King Solomon (10 century BC) in particular made extensive use of 'corvee' labor to build his temples and monuments. But the Jews were the first in antiquity to conclude that slavery was immoral, which was deduced from 'man is made in the image of God.' If man is in the image of God, then it naturally follows that he cannot be property of another man.

By around 100-200 BC Jewish scholars had established this principle. It took another millennium for it to sink in for Christendom, and then with the re-introduction of slavery by the Portuguese in the 15th century, another 450 years for (hopefully) final demise.

understand however that in biblical times, slavery was not what it was when the protuguese re introduced it to the world. slavery was originaly a contract between master and slave, complete with renummeration and an end date.


there were also specific laws in how the slaves were to be treated, and compensation for slaves that were mistreated.
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