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Old 09-09-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The fact is that we would not be in Afghanistan now if Bush/Cheney did what they actually should have done. Rather than pre-emptively starting a war with Iraq (which was not involved in 9/11), they should have gone to Afghanistan with a surgical strike, and either killed OBL or taken him prisoner. They knew where he was, but all of the US resources were in Iraq avenging Bush Sr.

Consequence of the Bush appointment to president in 2000. Endless wars.
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Old 09-09-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Ontario, NY
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Let them, zero care what happens there.

The US had 18 years to make something happen, it did not, time to leave, it was time to leave 15 years ago.
The problem is an Isolationism approach simple doesn't work. World War Two was partly caused by America's Isolationism policy. The problems of Afghanistan in 2001 was of little concern to the United States until the Terrorist attack of September 11, 2001. Afghanistan in the hands of the Talban will haunt American in the future sooner or later, I only hope future terrorist attacks are only as minor as Flying a few planes into buildings. While 3,000 Americans killed hurts, imagine for a minute some future chemical attack that kills 10,000, 20,000, even 50 thousand Americans.


We will care "what happens there" more than.
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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The actions in Afghanistan bought the USA time to implement improved security measures, and allowed us to significantly disrupt the activities of Al Qaeda. At some point we will certainly be withdrawing. It's a question of how much support do we want to continue to lend to the current government? Perhaps we just slowly ratchet that down over time, lending specialized technology and moral support but leave the fighting and the political resolution to the Afghans? Basing rights there may yet prove useful, if the terrorist threat starts to elevate again.
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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The problem is an Isolationism approach simple doesn't work. World War Two was partly caused by America's Isolationism policy. The problems of Afghanistan in 2001 was of little concern to the United States until the Terrorist attack of September 11, 2001. Afghanistan in the hands of the Talban will haunt American in the future sooner or later, I only hope future terrorist attacks are only as minor as Flying a few planes into buildings. While 3,000 Americans killed hurts, imagine for a minute some future chemical attack that kills 10,000, 20,000, even 50 thousand Americans.


We will care "what happens there" more than.
How in the world is withdrawing from a place that we have been in for 18 years, with severe mission drift and no real mission really, now "isolation"? It is a s**thole place on the other side of the world. You want to toss some label in there "isolation", as if finishing out after 18 years is some sort of giant policy shift, never mind we of course will be actively engaged there for years to come, just like we still got troops left over from WW2 75 years later.

Afghanistan was a big concern to the US before 9/11, have no idea where you got it was not unless you were not into foreign policy at the time. Al Qaeda was very active long before 9/11.

If the people of Afghanistan want the Taliban, so be it, their choice. Fact is the Taliban never had total control of the country then, now, nor in the future because Afghanistan is not even a "country", it is a collection of numerous tribes who all have a grudge against each other going back a 1000 years.

People like you will always put of the argument of "what if", but fact is that after 18 years, the US had plenty of time to solve all "what if's", and making this argument is pretty baseless because I could apply it then to every single country in the world, the same BS argument Bush did for his Iraq debacle.

Eighteen years, 15 years too long, the US has had plenty of time and resources to do what it wanted to do. But no, instead there was mission drift, nation building, and the Orwellian endless war that is not meant to end. Screw that, leave totally, 100%.
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Old 09-09-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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So Trump worked with a terrorist organization and came to an agreement with them, even inviting them to Camp David at one point? Happy 9/11 week, everyone!
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Old 09-09-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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He should have invited them to Mar-A-lago like the other heads of state, do the Taliban play golf.
Good point.

IIRC, there were some less than complimentary remarks made about Camp David a while back. Perhaps the Taliban felt slighted to be shuffled off to a rustic retreat when everyone else gets wined and dined at the ritzy Mar-a-Lago.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Bingo. The old Vietnam body count propaganda. There is no clear information about the Afghanistan war status available to the public. Smoke and mirrors from the Trump Administration.
Yeah, where in McNamara when you need him. We probably killed 300 civilians and a dozen militants....and these are militants in their own country!

What is the real name for those?
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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He should have invited them to Mar-A-lago like the other heads of state, do the Taliban play golf.
Enlarge the holes and give them sheep heads and you'll have a fine game!
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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The CIA isn't going to give up their cash cow (drugs) so easily.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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So Trump worked with a terrorist organization and came to an agreement with them, even inviting them to Camp David at one point? Happy 9/11 week, everyone!
And this after Trump called out Obama for trying to make peace with the Taliban. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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