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Old 08-03-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Bran's tree
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so why do liberals prefer McCain to Trump?

Hard to find a bigger hawk than McCain...
I don't know for sure, since I agree he was an even bigger hawk, but perhaps they thought he carried himself more diplomatically, which would prevent the possibility of a war breaking out due to rash aggression.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I don't know for sure, since I agree he was an even bigger hawk, but perhaps they thought he carried himself more diplomatically, which would prevent the possibility of a war breaking out due to rash aggression.
mccain was anything but diplomatic. known for being a hothead.

seems like if your party truly opposed war, you wouldn't assert Russia interfered in our elections. i don't think that has helped our relationship with Russia and I don't think there is any evidence of it.

Obama/Hillary's war in Libya doesn't seem like a dovish foreign policy.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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Most normal Democrats aren't the ones foaming at the mouths to go to war, nor are they usually the ones who tend to defend cops that unjustly inflict violence on civilians.
You're mistaken in that assumption. Click on the link at the following to watch the animation of the time line:

American Leadership and War
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Ok so why don't you tell pro choice people to stop calling pro life males sexist on the basis that they oppose abortion?

Abortion is also murder. Pointing that out isn't political. It is #Science.
You don't quite understand my point.... Sheesh

There is a certain amount of maturity to realize the real issues and not resort to generalizations and name calling. You take the higher ground and ignore the rest. Make generalizations.. I Called you out on it... But i didn't respondwith generalizatiionsof my own. It is called being an adult. Kids do that... Adults don't... Or shouldn't.

You started the thread based on such generalizations... You are no better.... Don't like being called out, don't put such things on the table for discussion.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I see you claim you called me out but I don't see any evidence that you are right.

What names did I call people?
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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I see you claim you called me out but I don't see any evidence that you are right.
I am not stating a stance... I simplely pointed out the flaw in your post.

If the other side would make such generalizations... I would have called them out the same.

Let me simplify... Your mistake wasn't pro life or pro choice question, it was building a rant or argument based on generalizations. That is what I am calling you out on...

Its like my 6 year olds that can't resolve an difference resorting to name calling instead of being able to discuss. Then when I call one out on their behavior they respond with "he called me names first...". Wah. Don't be a snowflake.. Be and adult.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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In my view, you are using vague empty rhetoric.

My points have been specific. I pointed out many pro choice people characterize pro life males as sexist male pigs. I didn't say all pro choice people do this so it isn't a generalization.

I observed that the boyfriend killer is pro abortion and a male pig. Nobody can credibly argue he respects women if he killed his girlfriend.

This contradicts the left's narrative about who respects women in the abortion debate.

As I pointed out previously, I would not be discussing this story from this angle if not for many people on the left trying to paint pro life males as sexists.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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In my view, you are using vague empty rhetoric.

My points have been specific. I pointed out many pro choice people characterize pro life males as sexist male pigs.
Funny. This is a primary example of empty rhetoric.

There are male sexist pigs on both camps.... But you only address the one side that is convenient to your rhetoric.

Wasn't there a GOP pro-lifer representative that pushed for his mistress to get an abortion?

This unfortunate event is the actions of a murderer... No more no less. People like that generally have difficulties sticking to their convictions much like Rep Murphy. Politicizing this is a reflection of you
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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it is crazy how this thread blew up after being dormant for a day or so.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Funny. This is a primary example of empty rhetoric.

There are male sexist pigs on both camps.... But you only address the one side that is convenient to your rhetoric.

Wasn't there a GOP pro-lifer representative that pushed for his mistress to get an abortion?

This unfortunate event is the actions of a murderer... No more no less. People like that generally have difficulties sticking to their convictions much like Rep Murphy. Politicizing this is a reflection of you
i never said there are no pro lifers who disrespect women.

SO you are debating strawman argumentats that you built.

And again, a pro life hypocrite is not pro life. Pro life is a conviction that a true pro lifer does not waiver on.

You cannot have an abortion or push a woman to have an abortion and be pro life.
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