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Old Today, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
I'm not any more set in my ways than you are. You use empty rhetoric that can easily be aimed back at you.

Lincoln was set in his ways on slavery and he had an agenda. It doesn't have to be a bad thing to be set in your ways if you are right.

I am set in my ways about babies having right to life. That's an act of love.
This is all well and good, but avoids the point of the mom to be, feeling the exact opposite, and thereís tape to prove it. Kinda goes against your OP, no?
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Old Today, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Right...

because women are only ever killed by their intimate partners when they disagree on abortion

Face it, you fell for a bogus source who created a fantasy story to promote a political agenda. Whether she was pregnant or not, the is zero evidence that either of their positions on abortion was the cause for the murder
So what is your evidence that her friends who said she didn't want an abortion got it wrong?

Has that been independently corroborated?

I can easily say that you have a political agenda is asserting there is no way the boyfriend killed her b/c she didn't want to abort their child.

I don't deny that I have agenda but so does everybody.
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Old Today, 08:14 PM
 
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Slavery and segregation were both legal at one point. I'm surprised you didn't see this retort coming.
That's a false equivalency. You can throw out anything that we now see as universally abhorrent, but that doesn't mean that abortion is something that will be seen as universally abhorrent in the future.

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Also, abortion was decided by Supreme Court....it would be illegal in a majority of states today if the people had a say.
1. The bolded is your opinion

2. Even if you're opinion is correct, that would make it unfair to poor women who might have stumbling blocks to traveling to get one.

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Speaking against abortion is working to change the law.
No, it isn't. It's an attempt to shame women who are seeking to get a procedure that is legal.

Additionally, another reason it's none of your business is that you are a man. A man wanting to control what women want to do with their own bodies is a form of patriarchal oppression.

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Slavery only went away after some courageous people spoke out against it, like Lincoln.
Again, a reference to a false equivalency.

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The people who support abortion are similar to the people who supported slavery in that you treat a group of humans as subhuman and b/c you believe or pretend to believe they are subhuman, you can do whatever you want to them.

Nobody ever explains how a baby with standard proofs of life such as a beating heart, a functioning nervous system (feels pain), brain waves, etc is not human.
Fetuses aren't legally human beings. If you and your ilk feel that shaming women who are seeking to get a legal procedure is going to change that, you are certainly free to do so, as such shaming isn't illegal, but I think you and others who do so should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Old Today, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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The baby isn't the woman's body.

It is inside of the woman's body.

#Science

This fact is what makes abortion controversial.
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Old Today, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
Hypocrisy doesn't mean pro abortion is the moral choice.

That's a false premise.

I think that most of those politicians said they were pro life to win an election but were always ok with abortion.

Most pro life men don't sleep around, we want to be in relationships with women, it is not only about sex.
Nobody said either side was a moral choice, itís just a choice, nothing more, and you have zero proof where anyone stands in this story. You are arguing emotion with verifiable facts.
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Old Today, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Nobody said either side was a moral choice, it’s just a choice, nothing more, and you have zero proof where anyone stands in this story. You are arguing emotion with verifiable facts.
My point was the guy is pro choice and he doesn't respect women.

There is a lot of proof for that assertion.

Pro choice people have tended to describe pro life males as sexist male pigs.

I think the jury is gonna find he killed her because she wouldn't get an abortion and he didn't want a kid.

That may not be the case, perhaps he had another motive, but it is irrelevant to my observation that he's a male pig and not pro life on abortion.
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Old Today, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
My point was the guy is pro choice and he doesn't respect women.

There is a lot of proof for that assertion.

Pro choice people have tended to describe pro life males as sexist male pigs.

I think the jury is gonna find he killed her because she wouldn't get an abortion and he didn't want a kid.

That may not be the case, perhaps he had another motive, but it is irrelevant to my observation that he's a male pig and not pro life on abortion.
Proof he is pro choice please, this is the second time Iím asking btw. The jury will hopefully find him guilty of murder, and I can all but guarantee that the jury WONíT say, or find, that he killed her because he is pro-choice. I would even venture to guess, that if you pulled this pulled this police report a year from now, it WONíT say that she was murdered because the defendant is ďpro-choiceĒ.
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Old Today, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Multiple people said he didn't want to have a kid and he was pressuring her to have an abortion.

Keep in mind this pro life 'sexist' male also supports the death penalty for the killer who had the non-sexist view on abortion according to pro choicers.
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Old Today, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Are you going to call me racist now and randomly try to link me to Ben Pitchfork Tillman like you have in the past because you can't defend your pro abortion views.
And you wonder why I chuckle. But since you are desperately trying to change the topic of discussion on this thread, why don't we see if we can find out what Ben Pitchfork Tillman's views on abortion were. What the heck.
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Old Today, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Yeah I'm desperately trying to change the subject that I've made numerous posts about on this thread which you didn't like which prompted you to make one of your typical snide comments.

You've nailed it.

Why can't you discuss a topic in a civil way.
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