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Old Yesterday, 02:55 PM
 
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The Chinese are going to destroy Hong Kong as it is today. The wealthy have already begun moving their assets and their families out of Hong Kong.

I wouldn't say that, I've been to Shanghai and I find it nicer and more prosperous than Hong Kong. So many wealthy people and high paying jobs. One of my friends moved there because she got a high paying job.

However, it's more the culture would be destroyed. The sense of democracy that they know would be destroyed. However, I don't worry that it will become a poor city or anything like that. It's just sad that it feels like a hostile takeover.
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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Hong Kong and Taiwan are China's Achilles Heel. US will exploit them when it deems necessary.
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Old Yesterday, 03:00 PM
 
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It was only 100 years too late. The Brits should have never had control over the city to begin with.
Why not? Back when Britain took control of Hong Kong, the Manchus ruled over China. Would it have been fairer if the Qing Dynasty ruled Hong Kong rather than the British? Why is one foreign power better than the other? Hong Kong flourished under British rule. It wouldn't be the financial hub it is today without its British colonial past.
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Old Yesterday, 03:08 PM
 
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Why not? Back when Britain took control of Hong Kong, the Manchus ruled over China. Would it have been fairer if the Qing Dynasty ruled Hong Kong rather than the British? Why is one foreign power better than the other? Hong Kong flourished under British rule. It wouldn't be the financial hub it is today without its British colonial past.
In fact, the founding father of Modern China, Sun Yat Sen, whom PRC also paid respect and hanged its giant portrait on the Tiananmen facade on its national day, visited the University of Hong Kong in 1923 and gave a speech to the students.

He said that Hong Kong showed what the British can but the Chinese cannot. When Sun made such speech, opium trade was still undertaken in China. Sun had not as many grudges as our fellow posters on opium trade which had been abolished before PRC was established.
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Old Yesterday, 03:14 PM
 
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... Trump thinking he can 'judge' the rest of the world......he doesn't have a clue....
Nailed it.
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Old Yesterday, 03:21 PM
 
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Here is what Wikipedia said about opium trade in China:

By the late 19th century Chinese domestic opium production challenged and then surpassed imports. The 20th century opened with effective campaigns to suppress domestic farming, and in 1907 the British government signed a treaty to eliminate imports. The fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, however, led to a resurgence in domestic production. By the 1930s the Nationalist Government, provincial governments, the revolutionary bases of the Communist Party of China, and the British colonial government of Hong Kong all depended on opium taxes as major sources of revenue, as did the Japanese occupation governments during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945). After 1949, both the respective governments of the People's Republic of China on the mainland and of the Republic of China on Taiwan claimed to have successfully suppressed the widespread growth and use of opium. In fact, opium products were still in production in Xinjiang and Northeast China.
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CCP was not innocent. It turned a blind eye to opium trade within its jurisdiction in 1930s. Our fellow posters should blame British as well as their comrades' fathers or grandfathers.
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Old Today, 12:39 AM
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Why not? Back when Britain took control of Hong Kong, the Manchus ruled over China. Would it have been fairer if the Qing Dynasty ruled Hong Kong rather than the British? Why is one foreign power better than the other? Hong Kong flourished under British rule. It wouldn't be the financial hub it is today without its British colonial past.
That was dynastic rule over a unified China. Much different from a completely foreign power with a completely foreign culture from the other side of the world essentially breaking up China.
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Old Today, 12:47 AM
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The drug trade was not undertaken in Hong Kong. It was conducted in Guangzhou.

Hong Kong was being used as the homes of families of British merchants and as a resting place for the sailors after long journey. In fact, drug use had been banned very early in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong was still collateral via the Opium Wars. That's what my point is.
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Old Today, 01:18 AM
 
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I would've been happy if the Brits didn't behave like thugs and annex Hong Kong over drugs, which killed countless in the decades since. The Brits' action was not victim-less.
So essentially you are saying there should never have been a Hong Kong.
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Old Today, 01:40 PM
 
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But why is the drug trade related to the current demonstration?

Those who carried the "original sin", the British, have long gone home. The trade, had been banned long long time ago in China. The people who currently reside in Hong Kong, have nothing to do with the trade. In fact, they and their fathers and grandfathers settled in the City long after opium trade had stopped.

So whenever Hong Kong is mentioned, many posters like to mention drug trade. Why is it related?

Such stigma is voluntarily inflicted by CCP itself. In fact, after WWII, China tried to take back Hong Kong. Chiang Kai Shek sent his troops to station in the barracks at Boundary Street in Kowloon, Hong Kong. Only after civil war broke out did Chiang pull back its troops.

At end of 1949, the PLA was up to the border of Hong Kong. CCP could take back Hong Kong any time. The British garrison was no match. Why didn't CCP take back Hong Kong to restore "national honor"?

Because PRC needed Hong Kong as a venue to trade and earn foreign exchange after the Korean War broke out and UN imposed sanction on PRC.

So such stigma to keep colony at China's doorstep was self-inflicted. Even Khrushchev teased Mao in 1964 why China let the imperial power keep a colony at its doorstep.
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