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Old Today, 01:28 PM
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There is no place to store the soybeans. The grain elevators are full. In my area some farmers are plowing them under and just trying to survive the loss. There are still areas with small family farms.
Survive the loss? Many of these farmers are getting $150K-$200K from Trump's farmer welfare program. They can just sit on the porch watching the sunset and make more than others are actually working. Let market forces work and the farms that should survive will. If the GOP believes in capitalism over socialism, they should prove it and let the excess farms close.
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Old Today, 01:30 PM
 
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I don't know. My point is the contradiction between the rhetoric and the actual behavior, similar to what we see with farmers who scream about socialism but are in fact dependent on socialism in order to exist. Let the market decide which farmers stay in business without propping them up.



Our federal government controls handing out farmer welfare. The farmers can grow what they want and they do, whether it's soybeans, corn for diesel, etc. The farmers like the lifestyle and as long as the government is buying them off, it works for them. Unfortunately, with all the tariffs, many of the trading partners are finding other sources in other countries. We may or may not get those trading partners back. If we don't, we DEFINITELY will have too many farmers - way too many. If the government wasn't propping them up right now, they would be dropping like flies.
We get it. You HATE farmers. It's clouding your mind.

There are not too many farmers. The government has created a system which has too much farm LAND.
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Old Today, 01:36 PM
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We get it. You HATE farmers. It's clouding your mind.

There are not too many farmers. The government has created a system which has too much farm LAND.
The government created a system? By what, making farmers buy more land? Is this another anti-capitalistic solution where land is taken away from farmers if they have bought too much? Keep all the extra farmers but take away the "maximum allowed" land?
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Old Today, 02:04 PM
 
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The government created a system? By what, making farmers buy more land? Is this another anti-capitalistic solution where land is taken away from farmers if they have bought too much? Keep all the extra farmers but take away the "maximum allowed" land?
You cannot possibly be this dense.

Again, the government made this mess over the course of the last 80 years.
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Old Today, 03:12 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You cannot possibly be this dense.

Again, the government made this mess over the course of the last 80 years.
I agree.
That's the problem. It's easy to understand how it all happened. But it goes back to Abe Lincoln, who established the Department of Agriculture.
Now, the bloated Dept of Ag has grown and grown and grown and has become wildly out of control - so much so that the inside joke tells the story of the Dept of Ag worker who was depressed with nothing to do... Why?.... Because his farmer died!


If the government were any more involved, it would get worse. Going back to the early days of The Soviet Union, the farmers slaughtered millions of their own cattle rather than turn them over to bureaucrats who had taken possession.
As many have said, "Farmers" applies more to companies like Monsanto than Ma and Pa Kettle.
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Old Today, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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The incessant rant over "farmers paid not to grow crops" has its roots in the Great Depression -- nearly ninety years ago, It raises some legitimate points, especially among large scale producers, but extensive overuse of what was then called the "Soil Bank", or Soil Conservation Service, was reformed out of existence in the early Seventies; what has continued, and with bipartisan backing, is a policy of encouraging a surplus of inexpensive food and raw materials -- in no small part by virtually never challenging the deductibility of losses by the "sideline" farms previously cited.

I doubt that many pf the self-appointed critics here have much exposure to farming at the smaller scale at which it's practiced by many of us, but still carries an impact via the sheer weight of large numbers.

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Old Today, 03:31 PM
 
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Wait until abortion is made illegal in some states with poverty stricken mothers requiring prenatal, medical, welfare, food stamps, reduced lunches, etc. As for having too many farmers, this may ultimately become self-solving over time. Even with Trump throwing billions of dollars at them as if he's Oprah, many are still filing bankruptcy and/or can't hire workers because the money they pay only buys them the illegals they want to have deported. In a way, much of the billions spent are wasted, not unlike saving coal. Farmers should have to prove they can be self-sustaining.
Women don't get abortions because they don't want a child.

If that were the case, they would simply put them up for adoption after birth.

No, the reason women get abortions is because they don't want to be pregnant.

As for farmers, they can grow any crop they like.
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Old Today, 03:44 PM
 
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All this talk of farmers being subsidized and farmers losing the farm and too many soybeans and so on, makes me wonder if America just produces too much food.
If other countries don't want to buy from us, maybe we should just cut production to accommodate the countries who want it.
It's a fact. America produces a huge amount of agricultural products. Maybe it's a good idea if we don't produce so much. The idea that China threatens to "not buy soybeans" seems a little strange. So we say, OK. Don't. And then we stop producing so much.
Are there too many farmers in America?
We do produce too much food. Look at what a grocery store regularly throws and gives away.
We are mostly in trouble from the agriculture giants that are controlling the markets and getting subsidies.
I accept helping our small farmers, but the giants need to be dismantled.
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Old Today, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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All this talk of farmers being subsidized and farmers losing the farm and too many soybeans and so on, makes me wonder if America just produces too much food.
If other countries don't want to buy from us, maybe we should just cut production to accommodate the countries who want it.
It's a fact. America produces a huge amount of agricultural products. Maybe it's a good idea if we don't produce so much. The idea that China threatens to "not buy soybeans" seems a little strange. So we say, OK. Don't. And then we stop producing so much.
Are there too many farmers in America?
That's a fair observation. Maybe this is just the last of the agrarian society of the US. Been heading that way for decades.

Or maybe they are growing the wrong crops. Marijuana crops are going to be huge(r) in the future. The farmers would not need to export those crops or worry about Chinese buyers. They could sell it all in the US at a decent price.

Time to evolve or go bankrupt.

Marijuana--Made in America.
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Old Today, 03:58 PM
 
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"Are there too many farmers in America?"
no.
competition is good.
what i do not understand is how a farmer views another as friend.
they are competitors, just like the grocery stores and drug stores.
maybe the "friend" part is the government subsidies, just like
the Unions will organize across an industry for more money,
the farmers unite in voting blocks to ensure continuity.
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