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View Poll Results: Do you support Warren's proposal that we first have to be attacked with nukes before we can use them
Yes, we should announce to the world we won't use a nuke until one is first used on us 31 27.93%
No, we shouldn't handcuff ourselves saying a city first has to be destroyed before we can use our most powerful weapons 80 72.07%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-03-2019, 01:02 AM
 
Location: US
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We don't wait for that. We wait for a launch detection. But given the speed of the missiles etc. it's going to hit.


This is why we don't directly attack Russia or China with conventional arms, because it would quickly escalate to nuclear war, and then we're all dead.

That's my thought... allowing another country to launch a nuke at us before us is a massive gamble that our missile defense systems hopefully work. I'd rather see us be the ones to launch a nuke IF we believed 100% they are about to launch one.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:19 AM
 
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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No, I don't think it is a good idea to announce to the world that we will never use a nuke unless one is first used on us. That would be like owning a gun and having a sign at your door, armed homeowner, but I pledge I will not shoot you unless you shoot me first. The whole point of having a nuclear arsenal and strong military is to deter.

Deterrence, in this context, means you're going to retaliate against attack. You're trying to scare the other side from launching because they know you will also launch. It doesn't mean you're going to launch first.

Just to be clear: launching first kills us, too. The Russians and Chinese would retaliate, and everyone would die.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:23 AM
 
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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That's my thought... allowing another country to launch a nuke at us before us is a massive gamble that our missile defense systems hopefully work.
Well, our policy has been deterrence through the capability of retaliatory strikes, not reliance on missile defense systems. Basically if Russia or China launches one missile, it is assumed that others will follow. Basically the people in whatever place that missile is targeting are already dead.

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I'd rather see us be the ones to launch a nuke IF we believed 100% they are about to launch one.
Yeah...it's hard to know that, though. And if we did, they would retaliate, so we're dead, too.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:42 AM
 
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I get the gesture -- it is a gesture. She's not saying she would get rid of nukes -- just that the USA would not initiate nuclear war.

It's a gesture ------ as the USA is asking everyone else to not make nukes -- it's the little things.

No it isn't a deal breaker -- it's a gesture.

Why would we nuke first?

No have nuclear weapons is not like having a gun at all.

And I assume law abiding citizens would only use a gun first if they were under attack or threatened.

See how that works.
I have a gesture for Elizabeth Warren and her cult of morons !!!

The old one finger salute comes to mind !!!
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:22 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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1. I won't vote for Warren no matter what she pledges.
2. The poll is such that it really won't deliver good data.
3. Who cares what Warren Pledges. She is a demonstrated liar.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:52 AM
 
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She is a complete train wreck. God help us as a country if she was ever elected!
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Old 08-03-2019, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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I don't know if liberals realize that if Russia, China or Iran, in the near future, would use a nuclear first strike, they would target New York City and/or Los Angeles first.

So if Pocahontas should become POTUS, is she willing to sacrifice these two major US cities, as well as Seattle, Chicago, Houston, Miami and Boston on the immediate follow-up strikes BEFORE we can launch a creditable and murderous counter strike with our Submarine launched nuclear missiles... Since our land based ICBMs and strategic bomber force would most likely be hit at the same time that NYC and LA are vaporized.

Sorry, but that's just another failed liberal ideal based on some phony emotions, instead of cold hard facts. Plus, good old Putin would love that and I bet that he and the Chinese would be happy to deal with her than Trump... Who they know would release Hell on Earth if they ever seriously ever thought of attacking the United States.
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Various
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Dude.

This is already the policy of the USA, Britain, France, Russia and China. It has been the policy for over 50 years. These weapons are intended primarily as a deterrent, but one that is credible: we actually can destroy each other. The only time you would do a "first strike" would be if you think an attack from the other side is imminent, or if they have used another type of WMD (say they attacked us with large scale chemical or biological weapons).

I agree with you that she's way too far to the left and i would never vote for her, but if this is what she's saying...she's saying something that is already official policy, and has been for 50 years.

As far as seeing New York City blown up, I believe you're talking about non-state actors. You can't use a nuclear weapon against an enemy that doesn't have a clear base of operations. Preventing NYC from blowing up would be a submarine sinking the ship before it brought a weapon into the harbor, the CIA killing the terrorists before they could do it, etc.




Source:
https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/fe...iew_Report.pdf
It isnít current policy. Obama considered it but rejected it.

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Old 08-03-2019, 05:35 AM
 
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Warren is an idiot. Time to retire and stay off the Indian Reservations....
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Warren has relinquished the responsibility owned by the office of the of the US president.


To protect America and its citizens.


Her claim is stunning!


Next she will pass a law that says a home owner cannot shoot a armed perp who breaks in until the perp kills them first. then the home owner can shoot back, but only with a registered gun. Burial will be delayed until the corpse's trial is adjudicated. If found guilty, the home owners body will be held in the nearest prison reefer until the sentence is served!


EW is apparently a Russian agent.
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