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View Poll Results: Do you support Warren's proposal that we first have to be attacked with nukes before we can use them
Yes, we should announce to the world we won't use a nuke until one is first used on us 31 27.93%
No, we shouldn't handcuff ourselves saying a city first has to be destroyed before we can use our most powerful weapons 80 72.07%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-03-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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Hear that China?

Don't worry about our nuclear weapons.

They're just for display.
You would have to be Trump or naive to think that China doesn't know better.....
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:22 PM
 
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During the recent debate, Warren said she would sign a pledge to not use a nuclear weapon unless one is used on us first.

This to me is a deal breaker... it's like having a gun and pledging you will never shoot unless you get shot first. Why do we need to see NYC blown up before we can protect ourselves?

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this is an empty pledge, more symbolic than substantial. the only US president, in fact the ONLY world leader that has used a nuke in anger was truman, and he did that to end a war.
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:29 PM
 
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this question would have been uneeded generations ago...but after bush/Cheney..its vary sad
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:30 PM
 
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China has no intention of starting a nuclear war, either. (You do realize that they have several hundred strategic nuclear warheads as well, right? and they also have the equivalent of SSBN submarines, as we do?) The primary purpose of nuclear arms is to prevent war through deterrence.

I know this because I was a submariner (although nothing I've said is classified). If you think the purpose of having nuclear weapons is start a nuclear war, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, we have a first strike capability. The ability to retaliate implies a first strike capability. But no, we have no intention of using it. That would be stupid, because our country would be destroyed in retaliation.

Yeah dig dong, and by promising to not go first, you eliminate the deterrent effect.
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Out West
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I'm floored by how naive some people are. You never reveal your hand - some things don't need to be said, because not everyone on this planet gives a damn about naive people.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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Yeah dig dong, and by promising to not go first, you eliminate the deterrent effect.
Actually the detergent effect is the ability to retaliate even after a first strike. That is why we have ICBMs, Bombers, and the Ohio class Submarine. No matter how good another country is, they can't get them all at once.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Actually the detergent effect is the ability to retaliate even after a first strike. That is why we have ICBMs, Bombers, and the Ohio class Submarine. No matter how good another country is, they can't get them all at once.
A deterrent is to prevent the thing from ever happening...


That's like saying the deterrent of owning a gun is if someone shoots you in the head you have the ability to retaliate lol.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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A deterrent is to prevent the thing from ever happening...


That's like saying the deterrent of owning a gun is if someone shoots you in the head you have the ability to retaliate lol.
The deterrent is that no matter what you will pay for it. Thats what MAD was all about. Mutually assured destruction. Meaning no matter who shoots first both die. Thats why it is a deterrent. It deters someone from taking the risk.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:47 PM
 
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The deterrent is that no matter what you will pay for it. Thats what MAD was all about. Mutually assured destruction. Meaning no matter who shoots first both die. Thats why it is a deterrent. It deters someone from taking the risk.

A deterrent of building a mass amount of nukes is that we might use our nukes before you finish building them or exporting them. It's stupid to tie your hands together.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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I'm floored by how naive some people are. You never reveal your hand - some things don't need to be said, because not everyone on this planet gives a damn about naive people.

Really. I can't believe 21 people voted with Warren.
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