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View Poll Results: Do you prefer Obama-like positions or AOC-like positions?
Obama / Moderates 21 56.76%
AOC / Progressives 9 24.32%
I'm a Republican that just wants to vote 7 18.92%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old Yesterday, 11:25 PM
 
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I was surprised that the vast majority of candidates are attacking Obama's policies...

The media is saying most Democrats favor Obama over the more progressive side of Democrats like AOC.

I want to know what our C-D Democrats think.

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Old Yesterday, 11:51 PM
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I didn't watch the debates because it doesn't matter, I'll be voting for the Democrat. But if I'd seen them attacking Obama I would have emailed every one of these candidates that are sending me requests for money and told them what I though of that. Thankfully, we have a long way to go before the next election and there's plenty of time to course correct. As for AOC, I think she's a lightning rod that brings attention to various issues. I don't get worked up about her, there's always a rabble rouser in the bunch, she's young and energetic.
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Old Today, 12:00 AM
 
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Was there really a difference in Bush & Obama in the end?
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Old Today, 12:42 AM
 
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Was there really a difference in Bush & Obama in the end?
Who mentioned Bush ???
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Old Today, 12:59 AM
 
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I didn't watch the debates because it doesn't matter, I'll be voting for the Democrat. But if I'd seen them attacking Obama I would have emailed every one of these candidates that are sending me requests for money and told them what I though of that. Thankfully, we have a long way to go before the next election and there's plenty of time to course correct. As for AOC, I think she's a lightning rod that brings attention to various issues. I don't get worked up about her, there's always a rabble rouser in the bunch, she's young and energetic.

Yep, even every show host was questioning why are they attacking Obama who is very popular among Democrats instead of Trump. I guess they all want to knock down Biden, but they are doing so by literally calling out Obama. Saying, why didn't you tell Obama not to deport all those illegals.
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Old Today, 01:37 AM
 
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Yep, even every show host was questioning why are they attacking Obama who is very popular among Democrats instead of Trump. I guess they all want to knock down Biden, but they are doing so by literally calling out Obama. Saying, why didn't you tell Obama not to deport all those illegals.
I am a lifelong Democrat (generally moderate). Obama is the first Democrat since FDR to win the Presidency two times consecutively with 50% or more of the popular vote.

I have no idea what these candidates are smoking. Glad to see some of the moderates finally speak up in the last two debates.


This is an excerpt from a short piece by Elaine Kamarck at the Brookings Institution on this topic:

The Democratic Party is, as it has been for many decades now, a center-left party and not a left-wing party in the style of European political parties. In the first Democratic debates in June, many of the candidates fell blindly into far-left ideological traps, causing panic among Democrats concerned about beating Trump.

As the following table (updated from a paper published with my colleague William A. Galston in 2011) shows, there is no possibility of a purely liberal or purely conservative governing coalition: “To win, each party needs to form a coalition with moderate voters. But the structure of those coalitions is very different.”

Although the number of self-identified liberals has increased in recent presidential elections, they are still out-numbered by self-identified conservatives. Playing only base politics is a dangerous game.

While neither party can write off moderate voters, Democrats need them more than Republicans do. Table 2 shows that in the years when Democrats have won the presidency, they’ve done so by winning more than 55% of the moderate vote.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...tfrombrookings
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Old Today, 01:48 AM
 
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Obama = bend over position !!! AOC = wide open position !!!

No wonder people like Trump !!! He stands up for America !!! America first, standing is a winner !!!
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Old Today, 02:15 AM
 
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Obama = bend over position !!! AOC = wide open position !!!

No wonder people like Trump !!! He stands up for America !!! America first, standing is a winner !!!
When it was his time to stand up for America, Bone Spurs/Silver Spoon Donnie was busy getting STD's in his Manhattan penthouse. We know who Trump bends over for: Vlad and Kim.
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Old Today, 03:32 AM
 
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Watching the debates was a disappointment for this liberal as attacking Obama and each other is not a winning strategy and if continued it will give trump the win. IMO the candidates should lay out thier plans if they achieve the Presidency and then let the people vote accordingly,thinking you are winning by trashing your running mate is the way trump works and has been quite successful for the man but id like to think Democrats are a different breed than trump and his zombie base.
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Old Today, 03:59 AM
 
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When it was his time to stand up for America, Bone Spurs/Silver Spoon Donnie was busy getting STD's in his Manhattan penthouse. We know who Trump bends over for: Vlad and Kim.
I don't like Trump either, but he provides enough truthful fodder overall without having to mislead people. The bolded is chronologically impossible. All of Trump's deferments and reclassifications re military service were between 1964 and 1972, the Vietnam War ended in 1975, and construction on Trump Tower (where his Manhattan penthouse is located) didn't start until 1979 and wasn't completed until 1983.
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