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Old Today, 10:11 AM
 
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You are using the Y2K fallacy without realizing it.

Think of it this way. Suppose an engineer finds that without doing something, the next storm will flood the town. So, the town builds a dam and disaster is averted. But after the next big storm, people like you would come out and say hey the town didn't get flooded we didn't need to build that dam at all. What a waste of money.

I name it the Y2K fallacy because after the year 2000 hit without a problem, people started saying what a load of crap regarding the Y2K bug, completely ignoring the millions of dollars and countless man hours the industries put in to ensure that nothing happened when the year 2000 came.

Before I became an investor, I was a civil engineer. Part of my job was to evaluate bridges around the country to catch and repair any bridge that needed repairs. Since there hasn't been a bridge collapsing recently, are you going to argue that we don't need civil engineers looking at bridges?
Actually the schools are using it to influence the children.
I'm not using anything myself.

I'm well aware of what went on with Y2K as I was one of those software engineers combing through code regarding date changes.

The MSM did blow it out of proportion though by inducing fear to the people that the world would come to a standing halt at midnight of 1/1/2000.

Schools are doing to children regarding climate change what the MSM did to the public regarding Y2K.
Telling elementary school children the world will end in 12 years unless we do something is now considered "science" ?
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Old Today, 10:16 AM
 
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Many areas in the world are experiencing sea level rise. The data is there. That's why even conservative governments like FL are now taking steps to combat it.
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I'm not offering my expertise as I don't have any. I'm referring you to the science that is prolific out there if you'd care to look at it.
...and yet, you rely on articles, etc....and never seem to look at the data which is prolific

NOAA's sea level measurements start in 1880...140 years ago....sea levels were rising back then.....the total increase in sea level in the past 140 years has been 204 mm..... 8-9 inches in 140 years
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Old Today, 10:18 AM
 
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...and yet, you rely on articles, etc....and never seem to look at the data which is prolific

NOAA's sea level measurements start in 1880...140 years ago....sea levels were rising back then.....the total increase in sea level in the past 140 years has been 204 mm..... 8-9 inches in 140 years
I'm not arguing with you, hon. The science is there, and not only the science, but many cities are actually experiencing it in real time. You can argue with that all you want.
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Old Today, 10:19 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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This appears to be the new tactic for the serious warming long range crowd......bring up a bunch of kids who are terrified all the ice is melting. And it's already started.......there was some 4th grader on TV the other night crying her eyes out in terror the ocean is rising and we're all doomed. Sounds like the future brown shirt brigade to me, all too happy to turn in the deniers for a lollipop.........this is the most disturbing thing on the horizon so far on the climate hoax...........
Conservatives scare their kids about the Rapture and the prospect of being left behind to experience the Great Tribulation. When I was a kid, this was always a dominating worry. I always wondered if I was really saved and if Jesus came back, would I be raptured?

Since "living in the End Times" is the primary reason conservatives deny climate change, I'd say it's a pretty good comparison.
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Old Today, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It's beyond funny to me to read posts from the deniers promoting their paranoia and the related pseudoscience they use to "prove" their outlandish claims. I can only hope that they come to the realization at some point soon that they are only a miniscule segment of the population. In the meantime, though, real scientists and the rest of the world will continue to laugh at them!
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Old Today, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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I remember as a youth being "indoctrinated" about the hazards of air pollution. Then we lived through it in various cities; it had an unpleasant odor, made the city hotter, and hurt the throat after breathing it a while. The health hazards of air pollution are well documented. Finally we passed laws that required us to modify our cars so the air would be cleaner. It was a royal pain getting the car emission levels checked every few years. Now, though, the local air is fantastic; we're seeing eagles, the water, and the mountains, not a haze of gloomy brown air. Plus our vehicles are routinely built to emit low pollution levels, and we don't have to get them checked for emissions any more. It's been a good turnaround.

It looks like this generation's environmental threat is going to be global warming. Naturally the kids are taught the facts; not the coal company propaganda. I suppose if the coal companies paid for our schools then that sort of thing would go away and the kids would grow up blissfully unaware. Unfortunately, the fix for global warming isn't as clear-cut as reducing pollution. Such a transformation will take decades to accomplish, and by then the environment will have changed permanently. Unlike air pollution, global warming isn't just going to vanish one day.
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Old Today, 10:21 AM
 
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This appears to be the new tactic for the serious warming long range crowd......bring up a bunch of kids who are terrified all the ice is melting. And it's already started.......there was some 4th grader on TV the other night crying her eyes out in terror the ocean is rising and we're all doomed. Sounds like the future brown shirt brigade to me, all too happy to turn in the deniers for a lollipop.........this is the most disturbing thing on the horizon so far on the climate hoax...........
It stared with showing algore's movie in grade schools.
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Old Today, 10:21 AM
 
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This is going to backfire on the left. Once the kids understand that climate change is a vehicle to install socialism, they'll turn on the people who do nothing but lie to them to secure their loyalties.
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Old Today, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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The science has been hijacked by politics and being manipulated by both sides to further their goals.
And not all of their goals are altruistic; many of them will serve to further line their pockets with money.
For a few years I was a research professor in the Geophysics department of a major university in the US. I worked closely with many researchers who I have a huge amount of respect for - they were smart, hard workers who generally were not paid that much. Nobody gets rich working for a university as a researcher, most of them do it because they love it. Scientists tend to be competitive about their pet theories and it is hard to get them to agree on anything.

The whole idea that climate change is a conspiracy among scientists to line their pockets is beyond absurd. It is a narrative made up by people who just don't like what the science is saying because it is grim, so they attack the scientist.
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Old Today, 10:23 AM
 
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Kids know more about climate change than many adults. This forum, and your post, provide copious amounts of evidence. You'll be dead when the worst effects become known, and kids will inherit our mess.
"Kids know more about climate change than many adults"

They only know what heir Global Warming/Climate Change liberal teachers have taught them.
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