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Old 08-04-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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I live in the South and I don't want to live in Arkansas at all. Not my cup of tea. Neither is Mississippi, Alabama, or South Carolina (I lived there once, didn't care for it).
"Different strokes for different folks."

No doubt. Too bad more Americans can't simply recognize the diversity is okay, but not to the point of misrepresenting or insulting all who don't see things the same way as Trump does. Imagine if the goal was to be fair, reasonable and productive instead!

The possibilities for progress endless, and priceless!
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Instead of "making America great again" tRump now picks out pieces of America to hate on.

And, as this thread so clearly illustrates, his Trumplings follow their leader.

Republi-lemmings?

I don’t agree with Trump on everything (did not vote for him), but he is right on this one. Sometimes in order to make something great, you have to acknowledge the problem. Democrats are so afraid to point out issues. Decades of weak policies, law enforcement and just plain old being afraid to call a spade a spade has led to the decline of many American cities. Juliani had it right in New York City when he took over. Forced out businesses that brought trouble, encouraged new ones to come in, beefed up the police force and gave them authority to do their jobs. Took New York from being a crap hole to a relatively safe city to live and work in.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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tell that to all of the people from other regions of the country moving in.

You are so far left it is hard to believe you could live in ATL.

seem like everytime i see you post it is something about racism.

do you have any other interests.

my point wasn't that everybody would prefer south to California. this woman was so positive about Arkansas and she was from California so it contradicts the left's narrative the south is horrible no good rotten place to live and Cali is utopia.
Lots of Californians are "cashing in" and moving to lower cost of living areas for reasons not always having to do with happiness, and lots of those states where Californian's are moving are none to happy about the influx of people unless they are happy about the cost of their real estate going up too.

Perfect case in point is Nevada. Las Vegas, Nevada where lots of Americans like to move when they retire so they can get away from state income taxes and buy bigger homes for half the price (some that I know personally). All this week, however, they've been dealing with temps around 110 degrees and swarms of grasshoppers of biblical proportions. Drive around and if it isn't dessert, cactus and casinos you want to see as you go to wherever you can find air conditioning, you're just not a "happy camper."

Bottom line for me anyway. No thank you!

I just wish more Californians would move to other states, because even as they do, we can't seem to keep too many people from staying and/or who keep coming here!
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Lots of Californians are "cashing in" and moving to lower cost of living areas for reasons not always having to do with happiness, and lots of those states where Californian's are moving are none to happy about the influx of people unless they are happy about the cost of their real estate going up too.

Perfect case in point is Nevada. Las Vegas, Nevada where lots of Americans like to move when they retire so they can get away from state income taxes and buy bigger homes for half the price (some that I know personally). All this week, however, they've been dealing with temps around 110 degrees and swarms of grasshoppers of biblical proportions. Drive around and if it isn't dessert, cactus and casinos you want to see as you go to wherever you can find air conditioning, you're just not a "happy camper."

Bottom line for me anyway. No thank you!

I just wish more Californians would move to other states, because even as they do, we can't seem to keep too many people from staying and/or who keep coming here!
i don't think most of the transplants moving to the areas of California that Trump's talking about.

a lot of rich people in Cali doesn't negate the fact there is a lot of horrible poverty there.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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I don’t agree with Trump on everything (did not vote for him), but he is right on this one. Sometimes in order to make something great, you have to acknowledge the problem. Democrats are so afraid to point out issues. Decades of weak policies, law enforcement and just plain old being afraid to call a spade a spade has led to the decline of many American cities. Juliani had it right in New York City when he took over. Forced out businesses that brought trouble, encouraged new ones to come in, beefed up the police force and gave them authority to do their jobs. Took New York from being a crap hole to a relatively safe city to live and work in.
Downtown Los Angeles is undergoing quite the renaissance and becoming a very livable city, unlike the ghost-town-after-8-PM it used to be.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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I don’t agree with Trump on everything (did not vote for him), but he is right on this one. Sometimes in order to make something great, you have to acknowledge the problem. Democrats are so afraid to point out issues. Decades of weak policies, law enforcement and just plain old being afraid to call a spade a spade has led to the decline of many American cities. Juliani had it right in New York City when he took over. Forced out businesses that brought trouble, encouraged new ones to come in, beefed up the police force and gave them authority to do their jobs. Took New York from being a crap hole to a relatively safe city to live and work in.
Trump's mean-whatever-you-like slogan was "make America great again," not just make America great. "Make America Great" would have been much better...

Not only sometimes but always, you've got to acknowledge the problem AND understand the true cause(s) as well as the challenges. There is not one problem Democrats are avoiding, but when one recognizes the root causes, simple slogans and tired conservative rhetoric doesn't cut it. Total misrepresentation of the causes of these problems all the worse!

In any case, how do we compare and contrast the better or worse in these respects when it comes to New York or any other city? Not like New York is held up as a model conservative city either far as I know. Why, for example do these cities rank the way they do in terms of overall quality of life? Many in the top 10 are in the very liberal state of California despite all the negative conservative bashing to the contrary. One might reasonably ask how that's even possible...

https://realestate.usnews.com/real-e...-life?slide=26
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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i don't think most of the transplants moving to the areas of California that Trump's talking about.

a lot of rich people in Cali doesn't negate the fact there is a lot of horrible poverty there.
Not sure I came even close to such a suggestion, but now that you highlight this form of logic, let me be sure I understand. Can't make out what your first sentence is about, but you say the rich don't negate the poor? Let me ponder that one...
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Liberals blame Republicans for the problems in the south and they don't blame Democrat pols for the problems in blue states.

Interesting.

Miss probably does not even have 1 percent of the number of poor people in California given the huge difference in population

yet liberals will beat up on Miss and tout California as amazing.

If we could solve the poverty problem in our most populated state, the national poverty stat would be significantly reduced. Reducing Miss poverty stat would not make much of a difference on the national level statistic.
Mississippi doesn't have 1 percent of the population that California has. Want to know why everything is so expensive in California? This may come as a shock to you (conservatives routinely ignore this fact in their efforts to push their agenda) but a lot of people WANT TO LIVE THERE!

Conservatives love market prices driven by supply and demand EXCEPT when it comes to California. They suddenly forget that there are more people than available housing which causes prices to skyrocket. Not only do they "forget" that fact but they actually try and use it against the state to paint it in a bad light. Either that or they're just stupid. I'm starting to believe the latter more and more.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Not sure I came even close to such a suggestion, but now that you highlight this form of logic, let me be sure I understand. Can't make out what your first sentence is about, but you say the rich don't negate the poor? Let me ponder that one...
my comment wasn't really in response to you but a general comment about the topic.

I get a lot of people like California. I like California from a nature standpoint and weather standpoint and it does have nice places to live.

I see liberals on here bragging about rich people in California but that is dodging the poverty issue. A lot of rich people doesn't mean the state doesn't have a lot of poor people.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Mississippi doesn't have 1 percent of the population that California has. Want to know why everything is so expensive in California? This may come as a shock to you (conservatives routinely ignore this fact in their efforts to push their agenda) but a lot of people WANT TO LIVE THERE!

Conservatives love market prices driven by supply and demand EXCEPT when it comes to California. They suddenly forget that there are more people than available housing which causes prices to skyrocket. Not only do they "forget" that fact but they actually try and use it against the state to paint it in a bad light. Either that or they're just stupid. I'm starting to believe the latter more and more.
You are forgetting that leftists have anti-growth policies, they hate suburban 'sprawl'. They limit housing supply which jacks up housing costs.

I love when leftwingers try to give lectures on economics and free markets when your entire ideology is anti-free market.

The profit motive would keep housing costs reasonable because the demand would meet or exceed the supply without the government interference.

AOC singlehandily prevented Amazon from opening up a HQs in NYC.
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