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Old 08-04-2019, 09:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tominftl View Post
Trump is the real cancer on this country right now. His tactics may just blow up in his face. I still can’t believe he has so many stupid followers.
Sorry but no, the real cancer in our society today are progressive Democrats that have no respect for the rule of law and our own citizens.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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He doesn't give a rat's *ss about California as far as reelection goes.....

It's always going to be a blue state.

All Newsom did was make California look even worse.
Trump didn't raise taxes, he .made people in California pay the taxes that their elected politicians put in place.

You shouldn't be able to pass on your state's high taxes to people in other states by deducting them on your federal return

If Republicans want to win California, forcing Californians to bear the full tax burden of their elected leaders is the best way.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:22 PM
 
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Trump didn't raise taxes, he .made people in California pay the taxes that their elected politicians put in place.

You shouldn't be able to pass on your state's high taxes to people in other states by deducting them on your federal return

If Republicans want to win California, forcing Californians to bear the full tax burden of their elected leaders is the best way.
I say Mississippi and West Virginia are the two worst states in America, but Trump would never dare criticize them.

If California wasn’t forced to fund the unproductive red states, their taxes could be much lower.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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If Republicans want to win California, forcing Californians to bear the full tax burden of their elected leaders is the best way.
Ah, it's a cunning plan!
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I say Mississippi and West Virginia are the two worst states in America, but Trump would never dare criticize them.
You don't see their representatives making fools of themselves calling him racist, Hitler, white nationalist, among other things, demanding impeachment, now do you? He fights fire with fire. MSM bashes and says it's okay to bash the President, but when he does it he has to be held accountable. Nice double standard. That's why he has so many fans because he sees right through it and basically tells them to fk off.

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If California wasn’t forced to fund the unproductive red states, their taxes could be much lower.
That's false. Your CA state income tax dollars are for California services, like giving illegals healthcare. So make sure you work extra hard.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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"The LAO also cites figures from a March 2016 report by the Pew Charitable Trusts. It found the federal government spent nearly $356 billion in California in fiscal year 2014, for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits. That same year, California paid about $369 billion in total federal tax -- or about $13 billion more than it received -- according to the Internal Revenue Service Data Book, 2014.

Another widely-cited study from 2007 says California received only 78 cents for every dollar it paid in federal taxes."

https://www.politifact.com/californi...re-it-gets-dc/

Not that facts matter in this forum, but besides just the dollars and cents, the real issue is what can be done to alleviate these problems that are growing across all of America. Unfortunately, all too many people devote their time to exchanging partisan nonsense about all our problems than they devote to truly understanding the true causes of the problems and the truly difficult choices available to solve them.
Do you think the LAO, SOURCE: California Legislative Analyst's Office, could be a bit biased.

"for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits."

I DON'T see anything about how much the DoD spends by having so many military bases there.

Or how much those bases CONTRIBUTE to the Ca economy.

As they say, figures DON'T lie BUT, liars figure"
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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my comment wasn't really in response to you but a general comment about the topic.

I get a lot of people like California. I like California from a nature standpoint and weather standpoint and it does have nice places to live.

I see liberals on here bragging about rich people in California but that is dodging the poverty issue. A lot of rich people doesn't mean the state doesn't have a lot of poor people.
There is much to appreciate about California beyond the nature and the weather (though those two are hard to beat), and I'm not sure you are explaining anything about the rich and poor that everyone doesn't know, including all Californians who aren't brain dead.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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As a conservative I will say California is one of the most successful states in our union.

The drug crisis is not limited to CA.
Homelessness is not limited to CA.
Gentrification is not limited to CA.

Stop acting like it is. CA is merely a large, beautiful state to live in with an outstanding economy. A shining example of capitalism in spite of some of its leadership.
A conservative willing to consider a topic in more a fair, reasonable and objective fashion? Can't be...

Not to repeat myself, but on the other hand I think bares repeating. What is the root cause of the drug crisis? You're right. It isn't California or liberals.

What is the root cause of homelessness? You're right. It isn't California or liberals.

What is the root cause of gentrification, or the high cost of living? Or pollution, urban sprawl, racism, income inequality, lack of affordable health care, crime...

You're right. It isn't California or liberals...
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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California is a dump. Yes, I used to live there.
Usually just ignore these sorts of comments but now and again I like to point out what is a classic immature drive-by toss from the peanut gallery intended only to insult. Insulting everyone's intelligence and a total waste of time.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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i bet getting permits to do any kind of housing development in California is incredibly time consuming which is gonna prevent demand keeping up with supply
You don't seem to know much about what you are going on about, but you are right there are lots of people in California anti-urban sprawl. Not sure who is pro-urban sprawl, but most people I know prefer to keep it as limited as possible after learning our hard lessons a little too slow and a little too late...

Again I grew up in southern California where there used to be thousands of acres of orange groves and open space that quickly got chewed up by housing development, malls and freeways in mindless fashion. Now you can hardly get from point A to point B 15 miles apart down there without taking all afternoon.

In northern California where I eventually moved, in the Bay Area more specifically, there has long been much more in the way of open space protected from that sort of sprawl and the BART system helps to concentrate housing where growth has continued nevertheless. Helping with people's commute, but still the traffic is getting worse rather than better.

It's about a lot more than just lack of space that drives up the prices here. It's also the amount of natural beauty that IS protected from urban sprawl. San Francisco is one of the few cities from where you can travel not too far or long and be in some of the most beautiful open spaces, farm land, Redwood forests, wilderness and open country. There is also employment opportunity, a good university system and diversity.

California is also a more inclusive, progressive place where to be a good American you don't have to target POC with fascist immigration tactics or insult immigrants (legal or illegal). You don't have to carry a Bible or wear a MAGA hat...

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