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Old 08-05-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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Do you think the LAO, SOURCE: California Legislative Analyst's Office, could be a bit biased.

"for salaries and wages, grants, contracts, retirement benefits and other benefits."

I DON'T see anything about how much the DoD spends by having so many military bases there.

Or how much those bases CONTRIBUTE to the Ca economy.

As they say, figures DON'T lie BUT, liars figure"
Not sure where you are from or where you've been, but the net federal tax contributions from California as compared to other states, and/or the positive vs negative, have been widely reported for ages now, state by state...

Dismissing a source like the LAO seems to establish whether you are more interested in the "liars" or the figures, because these same sorts of statistics are done in each state and also at the federal level. Comes a point when even your confirmation bias has to accept the truth reported just about everywhere.

If you would like to consider the truth of these matters in terms of other contributions as well, you can also look at which states rank highest among enlisted military recruits. Number of military bases by state. Yes. Why in California? To boost the CA economy you think? Or is it to protect a major food source for the rest of America too? Not the primary reason of course, but might as well look at how states rank in terms of agriculture supply for the rest of the country too while we're looking at your figures. Right? All of them.

What is spent or contributed in or out of each state in these respects at the federal/national level applies in the same way, so you'll need to do a little better research if you want to present your opinion in a fair, reasonable and intelligent manner. Takes more than old short catchy one-liner quotes.

Or if you like those, here's one better suited for you...

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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Wait a minute, I thought if you didn't love America you had to leave?
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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As a Californian, I absolutely agree!

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/...o-our-country/
I second that!
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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IMO, only exceeded by Seattle (within the U.S.).

I hope you're being hyperbolic re the bolded, as I assume you realize that there are a number of vibrant, growing, nice places outside of California that would probably be considered to 'the right' of California where being sans a MAGA hat and a bible is perfectly acceptable.
Yes. Seattle is another one of those sorts of spots blessed with much going for it including lots of natural beauty not far from Seattle proper, and yes again when it comes to parts of California that remain Trump strongholds. I've got a very good friend who has a vacation home in a desert community where Trump rules the hearts and minds of just about everyone there. Trump decals and posters, MAGA hats, American flags, guns and the Bible are as much a part of the landscaping there as the cactus. I know all too well of what you speak, and quite frankly they, much like my good friend, are good people who I enjoy spending time with.

The politics, however, exclusively Fox News there too...
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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Same here. I stay only because this is where I've lived my entire life.
As all too many conservatives would say, "love it or leave it!"

Why don't you?

No need to bother, because I don't think in those terms or respect that sort of rationale, but maybe you can help some conservatives who do...
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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I wasn't sticking up for Trump. I was just pointing out that the entire cost/all coastal cities haven't gone blue....yet, and that Trump's bumbling may make an entirely blue 'edge of the coast' a reality, or at least closer to it.
Oh, I gathered that. Sorry if I came across as combative.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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"So the fifth largest economy in the world is a disgrace?"

It is only 1/5 because of its size and water ports and farm land

Let the states north east of ca STOP the water and see what happens.

"California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State In Droves"

"California: California's business environment has gone from bad to worse, with thousands of businesses pulling up stakes and moving elsewhere. But don't take our word for it. Just ask the 1,800 companies that either relocated or "disinvested" in the formerly Golden State in 2016"

" "to leave the business-hostile state because its business climate continues to worsen."

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...s-leave-taxes/
You could argue in the same way why the United States is the largest economy in the world, with two peaceful neighbors north and south, oceans east and west, full of natural resources, states like California, etc, etc, but why don't you tell your tale to Silicon Valley or all the businesses and industries that remain part of this economy fifth largest in the world no matter how you want to see otherwise?

Lots of companies leave for the same reasons some American companies off-shore to China, but there is more to why those who stay and why, even with the higher taxes, more stringent environmental protections and more progressive ways, long as I can remember conservatives complaining about these very same things decade after decade forever now...

And this about the water too. Any idea how much water is in California mountain snow packs? Or how much water California imports from other states? Please. Leave that one between Northern and Southern California...

https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/ca...229958409.html
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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California feels the same way about Trump!

Time to go solo.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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"So the fifth largest economy in the world is a disgrace?"

It is only 1/5 because of its size and water ports and farm land

Let the states north east of ca STOP the water and see what happens.

"California Companies Flee Business-Hostile State In Droves"

"California: California's business environment has gone from bad to worse, with thousands of businesses pulling up stakes and moving elsewhere. But don't take our word for it. Just ask the 1,800 companies that either relocated or "disinvested" in the formerly Golden State in 2016"

" "to leave the business-hostile state because its business climate continues to worsen."

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...s-leave-taxes/
Investors.com also claimed that Stephen Hawking would be dead if he'd been born in the UK.

"where the [British] National Health Service (NHS) would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."

They have an agenda and they know their audience. Facts are incidental.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:27 AM
 
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Fighting fire with fire only works when there is no fire. A controlled burn only works to burn off debris, to prevent fire. If a fire is already there, fighting fire with fire only causes more fire. In this case, Trump is only creating more fires.
You've not heard of a back fire being set to stop a current out of control fire from progressing further and to contain it?
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