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Old 08-10-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Well, going by your link, Dems had full control (Gov, House, Senate) for four total years, Republicans have had total control for six total years (a streak that continues to this day), so they’ve had control longer and if things had vastly improved, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I believe Democrats had control of at least 2 of the 3 until 2012. 2012 may have been the first time Republicans ever had all 3 branches.

The same thing is true in other southern states. Republicans in SC didn't have the trifecta until the mid 90s and I don't think any sincere person will say that SC has gotten worse since the 90s.

Their chart used to go back to at least 1980. I think they changed it b/c conservatives often link their website to make the the case against the Big Switch political theory advanced by leftists.

It shouldn't have taken until 2012 for a big switch based on racism to happen.

So hard to blame anything bad in Miss on Republicans.

When it had segregation it was run by Democrats who had the trifecta.

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Old 08-10-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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California is beautiful and would be heaven if it weren’t for the Californians.
California is probably the most naturally beautiful state our country has to offer. Shame what the left has done to it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Envy of the third world? Perhaps. California has 1/12 of the US population, but has 1/3 of the US population below the poverty level.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/ca...tal-15659.html
Have you been to any third world country?

My wife and I had the wonderful opportunity to visit South Africa, and I'll never forget our guide explaining to me that he was doing everything he could to get his daughter admitted to a university in California. Not easy for a South African. Part of his reasoning was that his daughter could never achieve her potential where sexism was such a problem in Africa, even for a white woman.

Too bad so many Americans take so many of our most fundamental advantages for granted, to understand how California is the envy of not only the third world but the modern world too, including much of America. Advantages that lots of less fortunate people would "kill" to make possible for their family...
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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I believe Democrats had control of at least 2 of the 3 until 2012. 2012 may have been the first time Republicans ever had all 3 branches.

Their chart used to go back to at least 1980. I think they changed it b/c conservatives often link their website to make the the case against the Big Switch political theory advanced by leftists.

So hard to blame anything bad in Miss on Republicans.

When it had segregation it was run by Democrats who had the trifecta.
I don’t know why things changed on the link you posted, that’s out of my purview. The point stands though, the last six (continuing) years have been under full Republican leadership, and things look exactly the same to me, and I’ve been there this year. You can’t give the Republicans a pass on how things are while towing the “bad Democrats” line, I know you want to, but to do so would be extremely disingenuous.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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California is probably the most naturally beautiful state our country has to offer. Shame what the left has done to it.
I know this is only opinion here, but Hawaii wins.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I don’t know why things changed on the link you posted, that’s out of my purview. The point stands though, the last six (continuing) years have been under full Republican leadership, and things look exactly the same to me, and I’ve been there this year. You can’t give the Republicans a pass on how things are while towing the “bad Democrats” line, I know you want to, but to do so would be extremely disingenuous.
I don't think Republicans are in general blaming Democrats for poverty and poor performance in schools and violent crimes.

What happens is liberal partisans like yourself start bashing red states and talk about bad stats in these states (even though the high crime poor areas with 'bad' schools in the south are majority Democrat voting) as though Republican policy created it.

So we then talk about blue states and look at the problems there and you guys say that's not fair.

You guys say leftwing policy leads to utopia and we know that isn't true.

If far left hacks say Trump and Republicans are racists, then it makes sense to consider if Democrat controlled areas have a lot of minority voters struggling.

There are a lot of rich people in California, but there are also tons of poor people. A lot of the rich people in California did not grow up there.

I know two engineers who grew up in my small town in SC who get paid a lot of money in California now. If our schools are relatively terrible, how would this be possible.

If Democrats had 2 or all 3 branches of the state government in Miss for 100 plus years, hard to blame Republicans for the state now and I think Miss is more affluent now then it was when Democrats ran it.

I don't think you can prove it got worse under GOP control.

I don't think you can deny that the left routinely beats up on the south.

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Old 08-10-2019, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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According to Wikipedia's info,

Democrats controlled both the WV state congress and senate from 1933 until 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._West_Virginia

Right now WV has either its lowest unemployment rate or one of its lowest.

Does anybody sincerely believe WV is worse now than in the past when Democrats controlled it.

From 2000 to 2017, it had a Democrat governor. It only has a Republican governor now b/c Jim Justice switched parties which is only b/c the Democrat party has shifted from a working class party to something else.

If your party is anti-gun, anti- coal and fracking, etc, that's not gonna play in WV.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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I don't think Republicans are in general blaming Democrats for poverty and poor performance in schools and violent crimes.

What happens is liberal partisans like yourself start bashing red states and talk about bad stats in these states (even though the high crime poor areas with 'bad' schools in the south are majority Democrat voting) as though Republican policy created it.

So we then talk about blue states and look at the problems there and you guys say that's not fair.

You guys say leftwing policy leads to utopia and we know that isn't true.

If far left hacks say Trump and Republicans are racists, then it makes sense to consider if Democrat controlled areas have a lot of minority voters struggling.

There are a lot of rich people in California, but there are also tons of poor people. A lot of the rich people in California did not grow up there.

I know two engineers who grew up in my small town in SC who get paid a lot of money in California now. If our schools are relatively terrible, how would this be possible.

If Democrats had 2 or all 3 branches of the state government in Miss for 100 plus years, hard to blame Republicans for the state now and I think Miss is more affluent now then it was when Democrats ran it.

I don't think you can prove it got worse under GOP control.

I don't think you can deny that the left routinely beats up on the south.
I only bash red states when these type of posts bashing CA pop up, it’s ok to bash CA but when someone in CA bashes back, uh oh! The posts in this thread are a perfect example of that. You can’t complain about return fire, if you don’t like it or can’t handle it, don’t start up in the first place. I know, I know, none of Mississippi’s problems can be blamed on Republicans, yadda, yadda, Republicans are totally blameless, lol, what a shock.
I didn’t say things got worse under GOP control, I said things are the same, which, you know, is surprising since they’ve been in control the majority of the time.
I don’t think you can deny the right loves to go after CA, so here we are. If you want to bring up California’s bad points and conveniently forget your own, I will certainly remind you.

“liberal partisan”, lol, I like that.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I only bash red states when these type of posts bashing CA pop up, it’s ok to bash CA but when someone in CA bashes back, uh oh! The posts in this thread are a perfect example of that. You can’t complain about return fire, if you don’t like it or can’t handle it, don’t start up in the first place. I know, I know, none of Mississippi’s problems can be blamed on Republicans, yadda, yadda, Republicans are totally blameless, lol, what a shock.
I didn’t say things got worse under GOP control, I said things are the same, which, you know, is surprising since they’ve been in control the majority of the time.
I don’t think you can deny the right loves to go after CA, so here we are. If you want to bring up California’s bad points and conveniently forget your own, I will certainly remind you.

“liberal partisan”, lol, I like that.
To be fair, California makes it easy.

The state is a prime example of why most conservatives don’t want to see big government get bigger. The state itself is beautiful, and there are some areas which are still moderately “normal”. The major population centers, on the other hand, are a dumpster fire next to a gas station.

By the way, I’m not a conservative except in the constitutional sense. That whole constitutional conservative thing, though, is why I view California with skepticism. Not sure why y’all have such a hard time electing politicians that know their elbow from their *******, but there it is.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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To be fair, California makes it easy.

The state is a prime example of why most conservatives don’t want to see big government get bigger. The state itself is beautiful, and there are some areas which are still moderately “normal”. The major population centers, on the other hand, are a dumpster fire next to a gas station.

By the way, I’m not a conservative except in the constitutional sense. That whole constitutional conservative thing, though, is why I view California with skepticism. Not sure why y’all have such a hard time electing politicians that know their elbow from their *******, but there it is.
So have you actually been to California and saw feces and shot needles on the sidewalks?

Speaking of making big government bigger, Republicans in Oklahoma City are trying to figure out new government projects, such as a new multipurpose stadium, to justify keeping the city sales tax up.
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