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Old 08-10-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
It has to do with you trying to link the problems in red states with the GOP.

You can't refute my points that your party's policies are not going to solve any problems in any state.
Your points are all over the place, and don't, in any way, take away from criticisms of red states. All you can do is blame any criticism on Dems.. in red controlled states... You can't even acknowledge the problems that lie therein, then you turn around and complain about red state bashing after doing the same yourself against CA. It's amazing. This is, of course, on top of blanket statements and accusations about me that when asked to prove, you refuse to do so, it's hilarious.

[quote] Is open borders and amnesty city policy the way to improve red states?[QUOTE/]

Off hand, hard to tell, I do suspect that if every illegal working on a farm disappeared tomorrow, there would be a ton of farms in real trouble.

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When conservatives talk about the issues in California, we point to specific liberal policies.
Oh really? Let's look at some of these specific issues from this thread, shall we? Two at random, I'm sure there are more.

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As do I and I live in Calif. also. The west coast has lost its collective minds. Portland, Oregon is another example of a majority of progressive kooks.
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Californians are the true disgrace because they allowed all this to happen. When you don't vote, liberals win. When you vote for moderate candidates, liberals win. When you vote for fiscal conservative liberal Republicans, liberals win. It's really that damn simple.
How pointed, direct, analytical and scientific! lol

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Denying you are a liberal seems like you lack the courage of your convictions.
Where did I deny I was a liberal? Have you seen how I've been signing my posts? You know Clem, before you jump in feet first, you should look at exactly what was posted before, you know, sticking your foot in your mouth. The whole broad brush thing you do isn't helping either.

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Old 08-10-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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I feel bad for the millions of Californians that have to suffer leftist lunacy in their state.
don't be - they elected their leaders and aren't being held hostage in their state - it's a beautiful state, every American should visit at least once - great national parks worth seeing....https://www.nps.gov/state/ca/index.htm
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Old 08-10-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Where did I deny I was a liberal? Have you seen how I've been signing my posts? You know Clem, before you jump in feet first, you should look at exactly what was posted before, you know, sticking your foot in your mouth. The whole broad brush thing you do isn't helping either.

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-LiberalPartisan

You seem to want to do platitudes about broad brushing.

This topic isn't about you and me.

I've pointed out Republicans didn't control a trifecta or even more than 1 branch of government in southern states until recently.

I think that does undermine the 'well California isn't as bad as red states like WV or Miss' argument. the only reason to make that argument is to associate Republicans with the bad stuff.

Also, I've also noted liberals never compare California to other states that vote Republican like Texas. They always go for WV and MS, two of the most rural red states.

WV is a mountainous state so it doesn't make sense for it to have a lot of industry and it is microscopic in land area compared to California.

California's coast is probably more miles than Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, and Virgina's coasts combined.

Comparing CA to WV and MS would be like a conservative comparing Texas to leftwing Vermont or Maine.

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Old 08-10-2019, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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California does make it easy, but CA is not alone in that uncomfortable room. In terms of their politics, yeah, it could most certainly be better and the courts are not helping, but with that, there are positives here as well and with that, what some posters here forget to realize or acknowledge while crapping on CA, a large number of conservatives too.
In terms of politics it could be better? Thatís the understatement of the week, right there. California politicians are a train wreck. I sometimes wonder if the reason they want everyone else to emulate them is so that they donít look so bad in comparison.


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So have you actually been to California and saw feces and shot needles on the sidewalks?

Speaking of making big government bigger, Republicans in Oklahoma City are trying to figure out new government projects, such as a new multipurpose stadium, to justify keeping the city sales tax up.
So start a thread on Oklahoma City and Iíll gladly call out whatever issues exist there as well. Iím not partisan when it comes to pointing out stupidity, although currently it may seem that way because the Democrats give so many fine examples.

And no, I havenít been to California recently. I have friends who live there (fewer than there used to be because most are expatriating themselves back to America) and we have this nifty invention called the internet which lets me look at video from other places. I donít need to go to Mars to know that I canít breathe the atmosphere.
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
You seem to want to do platitudes about broad brushing.
If the shoe fits

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This topic isn't about you and me.
Ok, says the person that accused me of not knowing things, then failed to provide proof when called on it, but ok..

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I've pointed out Republicans didn't control a trifecta or even more than 1 branch of government in southern states until recently.

I think that does undermine the 'well California isn't as bad as red states like WV or Miss' argument.
and I pointed out that Republicans have had a total majority, the majority of the time.

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Also, I've also noted liberals never compare California to other states that vote Republican like Texas. They always go for WV and MS, two of the most rural red states.
Like another poster pointed out earlier in the thread, CA is an easy target, so are MS, WV, etc..

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WV is a mountainous state so it doesn't make sense for it to have a lot of industry and it is microscopic in land area compared to California.
Coal for a time? Size though? that's neither here nor there, there are smaller states that have a larger manufacturing base than larger states, TX vs AK for example.

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California's coast is probably more miles than Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, and Virgina's coasts combined.

this would be like a conservative comparing Texas to leftwing Vermont.
This is all very true, and should be kept in mind when attacking CA, some will respond in kind. If you're sitting in CA and someone in backwater wherever, big or small, starts throwing insults, oh well, if you dish it, you gotta be ready to take it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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In terms of politics it could be better? Thatís the understatement of the week, right there. California politicians are a train wreck. I sometimes wonder if the reason they want everyone else to emulate them is so that they donít look so bad in comparison.
Well, that's a sliding scale because some aren't that bad, you're used to seeing moonbeam, Newsome and that clown Hunter, they may garner the most attention, but certainly aren't the be all end all. This place is like a pendulum, swing one way, it'll swing back, hopefully not to the other extreme.
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Old 08-10-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Originally Posted by TBCasino View Post
If the shoe fits



Ok, says the person that accused me of not knowing things, then failed to provide proof when called on it, but ok..



and I pointed out that Republicans have had a total majority, the majority of the time.



Like another poster pointed out earlier in the thread, CA is an easy target, so are MS, WV, etc..



Coal for a time? Size though? that's neither here nor there, there are smaller states that have a larger manufacturing base than larger states, TX vs AK for example.



This is all very true, and should be kept in mind when attacking CA, some will respond in kind. If you're sitting in CA and someone in backwater wherever, big or small, starts throwing insults, oh well, if you dish it, you gotta be ready to take it.
the Republicans haven't had trifecta until 2012 in Miss, for the first time since at least the 1930s.

How many times do I have to explain this to you. The Ballotpedia graph only goes back a few years.

Democrats had 2 or 3 of the branches of government in WV and MS for decades.

Responding to your assertions doen't mean I can't take it. You are making a baseless taunt. You can't refute the point that I'[m making so you insist that I can't take it.

I don't have an obligation to validate your opinion.
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Originally Posted by ClemVegas View Post
the Republicans haven't had trifecta until 2012 in Miss, for the first time since at least the 1930s.

How many times do I have to explain this to you. The Ballotpedia graph only goes back a few years.
Democrats had 2 or 3 of the branches of government in WV and MS for decades.
I'm only going by the link you posted, if the link you posted was insufficient, don't look at me.

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Responding to your assertions doen't mean I can't take it. You are making a baseless taunt. You can't refute the point that I'[m making so you insist that I can't take it.
As stated, your points are all over the place, some of which, are so out in space, they have nothing to do with the primary assertions (school vouchers, the 2nd Amendment, anyone?). Of course you're having a hard time with it, this was a post started to bash CA, there were responses which, by recent postings, didn't sit with well with you. See post 519 for clarification, again. You can't throw rocks and then complain when some come back your way, "California is bigger, the coast is longer, blah, blah". Handle it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Yes, I can't handle your stupid comparison of the most populated state to rural states. lol
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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I only bash red states when .
Lol bash my red state but :gasp:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...scal-stability

We have no income tax, no personal property tax, no tolls, no car inspections, basically nothing. Property tax is dirt cheap, say about $175 a month for a $400,000 house. Car registration is $70/year. Gas is $2.40.

Florida is #2, also a state that's no income tax and mostly red.

California may have a huge economy, yes, but the amount of debt and overall shape they are currently in negates that somewhat. They're also by far the worst in poverty; many Californians and Democrats love to bash the South because of the poor. But California is by far the worst in that respect.
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