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Old 08-04-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ex New Yorker View Post
It's obvious that you have no idea of what you're talking about?

You don't have to go fill out a Federal Form 4473 and undergo a NICS background check to buy a car. You don't even need a drivers license to own a car. You don't have to register a car to own one either. You just can't legally use it on a public street.

It's also a federal crime to knowingly sell a firearm in a private sale to a prohibited possessor as described by federal law. Yet it is not illegal to sell a car to an individual who has a drunk driving conviction on their record. Or to someone who has a history of causing automobile accidents.
Libs blame the gun. I blame the criminal.

 
Old 08-04-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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It would be interesting to know if any of the responders were ALERRT trained.....but, of course, such answers are not going to be in the public disclosure.
That reminds me of a joke I once heard who sounds politically incorrect today: a guy heard then a burglar comes to his home call pizza belivery instead of the cops because pizza delivery arrive more faster than the cops.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don’t recall seeing shootings as frequently as this, 3 within a week, 2 within 24 hours.
Unfortunately it triggers copycat shooters.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nes-full-data/
 
Old 08-04-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Libs blame the gun. I blame the criminal.

I blame both.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by staywarm2 View Post
He should be ashamed of himself. He may be selling guns to mentally deficient people who will kill an innocent person—or many people.
It is a Federal crime to knowingly sell a firearm to a prohibited possessor as described by Federal law. That applies to anyone whether you're a licensed firearms dealer or a private individual. Individual state's have their own laws pertaining to this as well.

If an individual that you sold a firearm to used it in a crime and if that person had a previous criminal record more than likely you the seller could be charged as well. At the very least civil penalties would indeed apply as you could be the subject of multiple lawsuits besides.

Why in God's name don't you educate yourself before stating your opinions on firearms laws?

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Identify Prohibited Persons | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco ...
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons
Further, the GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 922(d) makes it unlawful to sell or otherwise dispose of firearms or ammunition to any person who is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition. The Arms Export Control Act (AECA) prohibits the issuance of licenses to persons who have been convicted of:
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Weapons Crimes: Prohibited Possession of Firearms in Arizona ...
https://blog.novakazlaw.com/weapons-...ms-in-arizona/
Offenses involving transfer or sale a deadly weapon to a prohibited user or possessor is a Class 6 Felony; Any offense where a weapon is used in a crime whether the offender is a prohibited possessor or not, is considered to be an aggravating factor and a Class 4 felony, or higher depending on the criminal offense for which the prohibited processor used the weapon.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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He gets ID and permit info and issues a bill of sale. There are some mentally deficient people that can get a permit too.
That's highly unlikely, but not entirely impossible. Especially if that individual had already been adjudicated as a mental defective and committed to a mental institution. When was the last time that someone with a concealed weapons permit (CWP) committed a crime with a firearm?

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Federal Form 4473:
11 f. Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (See Instructions for Question 11.f.)
 
Old 08-04-2019, 12:07 PM
 
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It will get much worse over time until there is no choice to take all guns away. The Demwits are coming for our guns in time.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 12:07 PM
 
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Libs blame the gun. I blame the criminal.
Ever heard of the fire triangle? High temperature + flammable material + oxygen = fire. We don't ascribe a fire to either of those three being present. And while we can put out fire by removing one factor, we prevent fire by keeping them from being present at the same time.

Now try this one: Firearm + individual with murderous intent = shooting. Why reduce ourselves to limiting one factor or the other? Keeping both from being present at the same time seems a logical preventive step.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Now try this one: Firearm + individual with murderous intent = shooting. Why reduce ourselves to limiting one factor or the other? Keeping both from being present at the same time seems a logical preventive step.
Could we do similar equations of individual with murderous intent with knives, explosives or vehicules?
 
Old 08-04-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: CA
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One has to be intentionally dense (or worse but I'll get a TOS violation for saying it) to think that what applied and was thought of in 1790 or earlier (or even somewhat later) applies today. The weapons in existence then were nothing like we have today. The population was smaller, population density smaller, the country was new and people were paranoid and not trusting of the new government, there was less of a law enforcement presence and our military was nothing like it is now (like guns can even protect us against what our military has if the gov decides to go rogue and we try to fight back, LOL good one).

I have to wonder what our founding fathers would say on the issue if they knew all that has happened since they put their ideas on paper and signed centuries ago, especially what's happened in more recent decades with the surge in these mass shootings. If they knew of the weapon technology we have today and just everything going on in modern times.

At the time the Constitution was written, women couldn't vote and were basically like their husbands' property and most black people in this country were enslaved, yet we hang onto the Second Amendment and things said about it at the time like it's gospel.

"I have to wonder what our founding fathers would say on the issue if they knew all that has happened since they put their ideas on paper and signed centuries ago...."

Here's a start on your wonderings......

OUR CONSTITUTION WAS MADE ONLY FOR A MORAL AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.


-President John Adams
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