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Old 08-04-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mr.Retired View Post

I guess the Socialists will be firing up a bill to outlaw Walmart...................................
Why would you even make such a ridiculous statement?

 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Bullcrap- America has always had guns long before your liberal fantasies were in place. America was born of violence- settlers had to fight Indians, invading Brits X2, a Civil War, and a vast part of the country that was lawless. We are the only nation that has a Constitution that guarantees gun ownership, which has kept us free, while Europe and Asia have been conquered and invaded over and over again.

People in the US, as it was developing, hunted (and still do) for food. Hunting and outdoor activities is far more popular than it is in other nations, thus we have more guns.

Violence has become more prevalent due to liberalism, which as destroyed the family unit, the church, and respect of life through violence in the media and entertainment industry. Further, liberals and liberal politicians routinely violate the law themselves, but then expect others to obey the law to a "T"!

Don't create the political and environmental situation for lawlessness, then complain about crimes!
Yes, angry white middle class men are shooting up innocent people because of "liberalism".

My god don't you people ever get tired of spitting out the same garbage you've been listening to for 35 years from your AM radio?
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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One more thing comes to my mind when trying to investigate people who are the suspects in these mass killings.
Many of these suspects have been found to be wearing body armor, as was the case in both recent incidents.

Body armor should only be available to the military, and law enforcement, and a red flag should be raise when an ordinary citizen is purchasing this equipment, be it online, or brick and mortar.
Perhaps people in the business of selling body armor, should rely on just the military, and law enforcement as their customers.
Private citizens should have no need for body armor.

I would suspect not one person in authority has ever looked into this facet during their investigations.


Bob.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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I say, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, as a group, people need to organize and let their voices be heard, in order to achieve change.

Bob.
Unfortunately for your side our voices are being heard. Not only that but we do have a Bill of Rights designed to protect all of us from tyranny by a majority or mob rule such as what your side advocates for.

You can stamp your petty little feet in anger and shout "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" all you want. But the civil rights of those of us who choose to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights are just as important as your right to huff and puff until the cows come home.

This country was founded as a Constitutional Republic whether you like it or not and for good reason. How would you like it if the majority ruled that women can no longer have an abortion? Or against any other Leftist cause that is dear to your heart? Or that gays or any religious group should be imprisoned? As I stated in my previous post: "You'd better be careful for what you wish for as you may wake up and find that one day it is your ox that is being gored".

Ben Franklin once said that: "A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner".

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A Constitutional Republic is a form of government where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, representatives mandated to govern according to existing constitutional law. It is because of this mandate that the elected class in a Constitutional Republic is limited in their power over the citizenry. The United States of America was created as and intended to survive as a Constitutional Republic.

Our Constitutional Republic is separated into three separate but equal branches of government; the Executive, Legislative and Judicial, represented by the Presidency, Congress and the Courts. Because of this no branch has a rein on absolute power thus assuring that there will be checks and balances to the governmental system and protection for the rule of law.

Through the elected representation employed by our Constitutional Republic the influence of the majority is tempered by protections for individual rights as mandated by constitutional law. Our form of government is deliberate in its attempt to thwart majoritarianism, thereby protecting political dissent and individuals and minority groups from the "tyranny of the majority" by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population. The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify.

"A pure unbridled democracy is a political system in which the majority enjoys absolute power by means of democratic elections. In an unvarnished democracy, unrestrained by a constitution, the majority can vote to impose tyranny on themselves and the minority opposition. They can vote to elect those who will infringe upon our inalienable God-given rights. Thomas Jefferson referred to this as elected despotism in Notes on the State of Virginia (also cited in Federalist 48 by Madison):"
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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So, nothing....got it!
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Strangely enough, I agree with both sides of this thread, to a certain degree. The whole debate has deteriorated into a 2nd amendment argument which democrats can't win. They always immediately jump on eliminating guns when these things happen. That's not going to happen in America, ever. You can't put the Genie back in the bottle once it has been let out.
Also by concentrating on eliminating various guns Dems provide cover for the alt right rabid gun owners by distracting from the real issue. The real issue is this guy probably shouldn't have had a gun in the first place.
The republicans say, "it's not the guns, it's the person. Let's go with that, then.

Well then common ground then would be going for a universal background check and through vetting before anyone can purchase a weapon. Don't ban the weapon because you never will. Ban access to the weapons by people unfit to own and operate them.

Heller vs. DC states in it's decision that Ownership of a weapon is an individual right guaranteed by the 2nd amendment. The big caveat is that the 2nd is also subject to reasonable restrictions. Through vetting before gun ownership is a reasonable restriction that could go along way towards mitigating the level of mindless, mass shootings that appears to be epidemic in our nation.
We should make a bipartisan effort to implement those reasonable restrictions prior to owning a weapon. It is one avenue that may have a chance of success.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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When you show up at the primary to vote, you are associating yourself with that party. This is what the shooter's registration as a Democrat indicated. The last time he voted in a primary here in Texas, it was the primary for the Democrats.

I am in Texas. I know how this works here.
Good for you. I have been in and out of Houston since 1948.

Ever been a precinct judge? Ever registered voters? Ever been a delegate to a precinct, senatorial district, county state or national convention? Been the county precinct coordinator or run a campaign for a state or national candidate? How about getting people to sign petitions to get an issue or a candidate on the ballot. Ever verified petitions so the county knows all the signature are valid? Ever participated in a county wide recount and verified the votes from each and every machine?

And you want me to think you are qualified to opine on who can have a gun?

The shooter declared himself when he voted in the democratic primary. Perhaps we are arguing over language.

What party and when a person voted is a matter of public record.

Texas does not require confessing to be a member of a political party in order to register to vote. The reason that card is stamped is to prevent a voter who voted in the one party's primary from voting in the other party run off. It declares you voted in a certain party, not that are a card carrying member of that party as some states do.

People who are dues paying members of one party frequently vote in the other's primary. I did it all the time when I was a Republican. And so did everybody I knew.

All we know about the shooter is that he is from Plano and voted in the democratic primary. Wonder how many Democrats are in Plano?
 
Old 08-04-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by chucksnee View Post
So, nothing....got it!
But still, some crazy guys menage to find a way to kill, there's a thread on C-D about the guy who put a fire at an anime studio.
Sicko shouting ‘You die’ kills 33 at Japan anime studio
 
Old 08-04-2019, 04:15 PM
 
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Anyone heard eyewitness reports of multiple shooters? A military guy who was helping kids said he heard there were 4 shooters. He gave another interview today and was more shaken than yesterday. He refused to give details. There is a Mexican lady who said there were 3 or 4 men in black running and shooting. Then there is another witness who said the shooter dressed all black.
The guy caught had khaki cargo pants.
Questoning the police version is automatically labeled conspiracy theory. But I'm not putting out any theory, just pointing out the never ending conflicting information.
 
Old 08-04-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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Anyone heard eyewitness reports of multiple shooters? A military guy who was helping kids said he heard there were 4 shooters. He gave another interview today and was more shaken than yesterday. He refused to give details. There is a Mexican lady who said there were 3 or 4 men in black running and shooting. Then there is another witness who said the shooter dressed all black.
The guy caught had khaki cargo pants.
Questoning the police version is automatically labeled conspiracy theory. But I'm not putting out any theory, just pointing out the never ending conflicting information.
I saw that detail about the Mexican lady, the original article from the Associated Press is saved on Archive.today.
https://archive.fo/ZWWb3#selection-435.0-443.128

An other saved copy of the same article don't mention the Mexican lady.
Police: Deaths, injuries in Texas shopping complex shooting

This conflicting information bring more confusion on the table....
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