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Old 08-05-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The fact is you can be a white nationalist and someone who wants to expand the welfare state. They aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact Hitler expanded the welfare state.

 
Old 08-05-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD View Post
The thing about people who are delusional is, they don’t know they are delusional.
It is, what it is. Trump has incited violence many many times - in public and on LIVE TV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIs2L2nUL-0

So it's no surprise when his brainless toadies take up violence.


Ken
 
Old 08-05-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Trump’s rhetoric has made him highly vulnerable to criticism. Someone at his rally shouts “ kill them” and he laughs and says “ only in the panhandle”. The crowd shouts “ send them back” and he goes silent for 13 seconds. He waffles on Charlottesville.

He is the so called leader of the free world. His words and reactions serve as inspiration.

He alone chooses the words he speaks and tweets.

He can change his rhetoric. Not just for a day or two with words written by someone else. Forever- going forward. He can take every opportunity to condemn hate, regardless of source, every day.

His base is not going to turn away from him. He can make a positive difference, going forward.
Must be me but the total amount of ZERO Presidents ever gave me ANY inspiration. None.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The Brady law significantly decreased gun violence in America. As we all see, this gun violence decreased dramatically after the Brady law went into effect and increased dramatically after the Brady law expired and was not renewed. Lets reinstate the Brady law!


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The Consumer Federation of America predicts gun manufacturers will take full advantage of the demise of the assault-weapons ban, especially since the Brady Campaign has vowed to seek another ban. In fact, a gun-industry source told the federation, “ 'We may move to shorter barrels on long guns, and might even produce the 1928 version of the Tommy Gun. We will reintroduce the 50-round drum for our Thompson semiautomatic. I believe there is pent-up demand for pre-ban items.' ”

“We're going to see the market flooded again,” declared Joseph Vince, former chief of gun-crime analysis for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). “It will negate everything that's been done all these years. We're reverting back to the 1980s.”
Gun Control Debate: CQR


^^^^This is why victims, and victim's families, should be allowed to sue the firearms industry!

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Old 08-05-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: southern california
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So how has religion prevented any of those things? Yes, religion might prove a deterrent to some people, but rehab and prison facilities have many people who were raised in "religious" homes, and so did homes for unwed mothers. In fact, one serial killer was a churh-goer and leaders and STILL says he is a Christian, although, to be fair, he blames his crimes on some kind of demon possession. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...n-for-murders/

Btw, commas are your friend. (Usually, I don't criticize punctuation and spelling mistakes, but I had to read your post twice to make sense of it.)
How does religion aka standards and mental practice of positive ideas prevent social meltdown? let’s ask a Buddhist- not just a Christian -let’s ask a Jew
Our country is only 300 years old and we have discarded religion -it has enabled Jewish and Asian people to survive for thousands of years -
Sorry my punctuation troubles you so -but glad you read my post more than once -many do
 
Old 08-05-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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To Ex New Yorker,

"I wish that were true however many Democrat politicians have been the most vocal about it. Every time there is a sensationalized shooting they're the first one's calling for some type of ban or the other. Always looking to place the blame on everyone and everything but the shooter. With the exception of John Chafee (R) RINO from Rhode Island, I've got plenty of quotes to prove the Democrats' general hostility towards the 2nd Amendment and those of us that support it. There are plenty of them on this forum as well."

Regarding the above quote from your post, you're right. They are wrong to immediately push against the 2nd. First reason is they can never win that argument, so they're tilting windmills and secondly, you can never put the genie back in the bottle. Guns are an integral part of the American culture, like it or not. Finally, the founders specifically gave the American people the responsibility of protecting our freedom from tyrants by specifically writing in the bill of rights the 2nd.
I believe the answer is to figure out how to deal with that fact and come to bipartisan agreement on how to use reasonable restrictions to vet the purchasers of all guns in America. I was very intrigued by the other poster's idea of requiring liability insurance for all gun ownership. This would immediately place vetting of gun owners just like insurance carriers vet their drivers. This could be done without any new laws or restrictions except requiring insurance.

At the least it would be a great SCOTUS case. "Does requiring liability insurance violate the 'Shall not be infringed' section of the 2nd Amendment."
Great question to ask.
I would think so, as it is indeed an infringement. So in affect you would be denying millions of Americans from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights because of the financial hardship it may impose. I suspect that the premiums would be quite high because of the amount of civil suits filed.

I don't see how an insurance company could do a better job of vetting a prospective gun buyer than the present NICS system that's already in place? Again guns are not like cars where a driver has a history of accidents or traffic citations to indicate they are reckless drivers. If a person is reckless with a firearm they will get arrested and charged with violating any one of the thousands of gun laws that are already on the books. If convicted they will already be prohibited by law from owning a firearm. If a person is reckless with a firearm and never gets caught then the insurance company would have no way of knowing that.

There already is an insurance program called "Carry Guard". There are others available too. But they have quickly been categorized as "murder insurance". In other word's people would be more willing to use deadly physical force knowing that their insurance would cover most if not all liabilities.

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NRA's Carry Guard comes under fire as "murder insurance ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nras-ca...der-insurance/
NRA's Carry Guard comes under fire as "murder insurance". Carry Guard insurance was launched this past spring by the NRA. Rates range from $13.95 a month for up to $250,000 in civil protection and $50,000 in criminal defense to a "gold plus" policy that costs $49.95 a month and provides up to $1.5 million in civil protection and $250,000 in criminal defense.

The National Rifle Association wants to financially cover gun owners who shoot another person, but some critics are asking if the new product is essentially "murder insurance."

Gun-control advocates say the new insurance product could foster more violence and give gun owners a false sense of security to shoot first and ask questions later.
Some are dubbing it "murder insurance," and say that rather than promoting personal responsibility and protection, it encourages gun owners to take action and not worry about the consequences. And, they say, it's being marketed in a way that feeds on the nation's racial divisions.
As far as reasonable restrictions go there are already thousands of laws that address both the criminal and negligent mis-use of firearms along with civil litigation penalties. There are thousands of laws that address every conceivable criminal act imaginable with punishments up to and including execution. We don't need any more laws. Especially feel good laws that serve no other purpose other than to criminalize one's lawful activities and possessions.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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SANE people know there is ONLY ONE person to blame, the shooter.


/thread.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
The Brady law significantly decreased gun violence in America. As we all see, this gun violence decreased dramatically after the Brady law went into effect and increased dramatically after the Brady law expired and was not renewed. Lets reinstate the Brady law!


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Gun Control Debate: CQR


^^^^This is why victims, and victim's families, should be allowed to sue the firearms industry!
https://www.responsibility.org/alcoh...ty-statistics/

^^^^This is why victim's and victim's families should be allowed to sue oil companies.
 
Old 08-05-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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No -- at least not in my case. If I read it, based on what I have read about it, I think that I would feel compelled to write my opinions about it, and I don't want to give the murderer any more exposure to his ideas.
Umm.......you could possibly REBUT his ideas?? Maybe they need to be rebutted??
 
Old 08-05-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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The fact is you can be a white nationalist and someone who wants to expand the welfare state. They aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact Hitler expanded the welfare state.
Yes, Hitler and the Nazis were Socialists.
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