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Old 08-06-2019, 08:38 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Obviously this shooter was not a right-wing, Trump supporter, but the media has reported it that way because they are 'fake news' and the left is running with it because they're desperate.

The truth is that not everyone is easily contained in ideological boxes. This guy appears to be an actual Nazi. Not a guy the left dislikes, so they call a Nazi, but an ACTUAL Nazi. A Progressive, Socialist, Racist.

He certainly sounds far more left-wing, than right-wing with his complaints about Hispanics impeding "ambitious social projects like Universal Health Care & the UBI (Universal Basic Income)", the "cost of college degrees having exploded", how "our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country", "the decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations", "consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste", how "fresh water is being polluted by farming and oil drilling", urban sprawl, the use of paper towels and that our government won't act to stop these things.

There is no way to read this manifesto and say "this sounds like a Trump supporter".

 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I'll let CNN tell me what he said.

At this point hoping that MSM is going to tell the real story about both shooters is a pipedream. The narrative is set. Only Trump tweets can force the issue.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Could somebody provide a link to the manifesto? I’ve looked and can’t seem to find it anywhere.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by notnamed View Post
I see overpopulation cited more in right wing circles than left... Sentiment that it's not a pollution problem, it's a too many people problem.
Well, yeah, of course. The Right cares about the past and the future, not just the present.

Environmentalism has always been a conservative thing.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Well, yeah, of course. The Right cares about the past and the future, not just the present.

Environmentalism has always been a conservative thing.
That's right. Just look at the Sierra Club's donations to Republicans.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
I donít read stuff written by bats**t crazy people.
I read things by people I disagree with more than by those I agree with. I want to try to understand what makes other people tick and why we have differing opinions. I think the only way to fight an enemy is to understand them, and the only way to gain a friend is to get to know them. To each his own, but just ignoring things like this wont make them go away.

This guy was clearly a monster and murderer with serious issues. But, had I not read his manifesto and relied on the press with their very limited coverage of it, I would not have the understanding of him I do now. It was a few minutes well spent in my mind.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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This guy is being referred to as sounding like Trump. I read the manifesto and he is not a conservative. He is a murderer and I am in no way defending him, but here are a couple of excerpts that didn't make the mainstream news. They may surprise you:

My opinions onautomation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign forpresident. I putting this here because some people will blame the President orcertain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I knowthat the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blameTrump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to thisattack will likely just confirm that. Many people think that the fight forAmerica is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just thebeginning of the fight for America and Europe. I am honored to head the fightto reclaim my country

The cost of college degrees has exploded as theirvalue has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualifiedstudents filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs. Of course thesemigrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not thesole cause of it. The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incrediblequality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of ourcountry. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden forfuture generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environmentby shamelessly overharvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades.For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades oldclassic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the country, especially in agriculturalareas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oildrilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons ofunnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow thisdown is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities whichunnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows howmany trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything Ihave seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the averageAmerican isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes onlycause a slight inconvenience.

I just want to say that I love the people of thiscountry, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change yourlifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in Americausing resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life canbecome more sustainable.

Thank you for posting this!

I had no idea this killer's reasons had nothing to do with race!

The media's misrepresentation of the reasons for this murderer's actions are a thousand times worse than what the killer did because they will lead to a thousand times more death.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:53 PM
 
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Do any alt right white nationalists also complain about college costs and care at all about climate change? I think some do. Of course killing Mexicans was highest on his agenda.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy View Post
Could somebody provide a link to the manifesto? Iíve looked and canít seem to find it anywhere.


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3989824




It was hard to find.
 
Old 08-06-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by miquel_westano View Post
I read things by people I disagree with more than by those I agree with. I want to try to understand what makes other people tick and why we have differing opinions. I think the only way to fight an enemy is to understand them, and the only way to gain a friend is to get to know them. To each his own, but just ignoring things like this wont make them go away.

This guy was clearly a monster and murderer with serious issues. But, had I not read his manifesto and relied on the press with their very limited coverage of it, I would not have the understanding of him I do now. It was a few minutes well spent in my mind.
Does it matter? He won't kill again, and he will be executed in a few years. Each fruitcake is different, so knowing why he did it or thinking one does isn't a way to stop another lunatic.
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